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The hidden effect

August 11, 2013

While it is a fact that black males murder other black males at a much higher rate than white males who murder black males, those who use that rationalization to defend stand your ground laws and......

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Tgrammiex4

Aug-11-13 5:02 AM

Wow, the last time I looked ALL children had the right to an education. Making good use of your education can equal success.Most parents stress this to thier kids and encourage good choices.Sadly, some don't. It's not defined by race. There is a segment of the population that always looks for the easiest path, least amount of effort and expects others to provide everything for them.People who make poor choices are not victims.The writer does these folk a disservice by painting that view of them.

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Ritty77

Aug-11-13 5:45 AM

The writer looks down on Blacks and assigns to them the inability to cope without robbing and killing, all the while ignoring the other 90% of Blacks who have been able to overcome all this alleged racism, obey the law and become productive citizens.

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mikekerstetter

Aug-11-13 6:16 AM

I wasn't born into affluence. My parents lived paycheck to paycheck. We always had something to eat, but not much extra. I paid my own way through College. Bought my own car and paid my own insurance. I took the first job I could find out of school, cooking at a local family owned diner for not much more than minimum wage. I worked that job for 4 years until I found a better job working as a cook at Bucknell. After 8 years there, I found an even better job where I've been working for 18 years. From borderline poverty I've worked my way up to middle class, and not one time did I feel the need to rob the local store or sell drugs to make money.

No, I'm not a member of a minority group. But my story could be the story of anyone, including minorities, who wish to do better than what they grew up in.

To say that it's because of racism that so many minority people resort to violence and crime to make a living is hogwash. Cont'd

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mikekerstetter

Aug-11-13 6:24 AM

The truth is that it is perpetuated by the glamorization of that lifestyle. It's the misguided media who support and advocate rap and other music that glamorizes out of wedlock birth, gang life, sex before marriage with multiple partners, and a whole host of other factors. Mostly, though, it's a result of the lack of a family structure, with mother and father figures there showing kids a positive role model and how to do things right. It involves the culture in certain races, but it certainly isn't racism that is the cause of this phenomenon.

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nobud74

Aug-11-13 6:31 AM

It is interesting how the left assumes that certain people are either incapable through no fault of their own to be law abiding and educated. These people referred to are generally in the "black community." For the vast majority of people of all races this is a racist stance. To expect better of your fellow man is to help them and to expect better of your children is to help them. This business of excusing poor decision making and lousy parenting by ANYONE regardless of race, religion, socioeconomic position or gender is actually causing more harm to the very people who need help.

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Capricorn1

Aug-11-13 6:35 AM

Rick fails to include facts that should be mentioned when talking about crime in the black community. Those on the left choose the easy way out and cite racism and discrimination as the overall cause.

In the U.S., 64 percent of black children live in homes without a father. That's nearly 2 out of 3 kids. Young men who grow up in homes without fathers are twice as likely to end up in jail as those who come from traditional two-parent families. 85% of all children that exhibit behavioral disorders come from fatherless homes. 71% of all high school dropouts come from fatherless homes. 70% of juveniles in state-operated institutions come from fatherless homes.

I could list more, but I think you get my point. The breakdown of the family unit in black communities is where liberals need to place their focus on rather than blaming everything on racism and discrimination.

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Capricorn1

Aug-11-13 6:47 AM

I left out probably the most important statistic. The likelihood that a young male will engage in criminal activity doubles if he is raised without a father and triples if he lives in a neighborhood with a high concentration of single-parent families.

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LeisureSuitLarry

Aug-11-13 7:25 AM

Oh geeze Mike, now you're going to get the gay marriage advocates all riled up with that line about a Mother and a Father figure to show kids how to do things right. I totally agree with you.

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LeisureSuitLarry

Aug-11-13 7:25 AM

Oh geeze Mike, now you're going to get the gay marriage advocates all riled up with that line about a Mother and a Father figure to show kids how to do things right. I totally agree with you.

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CaveFelem

Aug-11-13 7:26 AM

Look up the term "oreo" with regard to what some blacks call other blacks who want to get a good education and be a better person.

I read the letter, then re-read it, and the last 2 sentences disturbed me. Not sure if the letter writer meant that Hispanics stalk blacks and kill them because of institutionalized racism (?) or if everyone but black people do this. Either way, absolutely not true. Just someone else bringing up this one incident over and over again to justify a point of view.

I'm more concerned about people killing people, regardless of their skin color or ethnicity.

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MrShaman

Aug-11-13 7:30 AM

"While it is a fact that black males murder other black males at a much higher rate than white males who murder black males, those who use that rationalization to defend stand your ground laws and the George Zimmermans of this country are not seeing the forest through the trees." - Richard Sahn

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I'm guessing the average Cogan Station resident hasn't (ever) lived, in Florida, long-enough to be familiar with the DECADES-long conflict...between Blacks & Hispanics.

Ya' might want to do a "little" research on the George Zimmerman/Frank Taaffe relationship, as well....

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Capricorn1

Aug-11-13 7:41 AM

"Ya' might want to do a "little" research on the George Zimmerman/Frank Taaffe relationship, as well...." - shaman

YOU might want to do some research on the George Zimmerman case and not rely on what liberal media has brainwashed you into believing. I asked you the other day to provide me facts that Zimmerman is a racist and that this shooting was racially motivated and you failed to offer any. That's likely because you don't have any. Just as the local authorities, the district attorney, the states attorney, the FBI, the Justice Department and the Administration has NO facts to support your usual baseless claims. Either backup your "theories" with facts, or keep them to yourself please.

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Capricorn1

Aug-11-13 7:48 AM

"I'm guessing the average Cogan Station resident hasn't (ever) lived, in Florida, long-enough to be familiar with the DECADES-long conflict...between Blacks & Hispanics." Shaman

Just because a "white Hispanic" shoots a black man in self defense, suddenly it's all part of a "DECADES-long conflict...between Blacks & Hispanics." Give me a break.

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Capricorn1

Aug-11-13 8:05 AM

Rick you also failed to mention the relationship between government dependence in the black community and poverty and crime. I can provide you many facts on that issue too if you like. I hope everyone has a great Sunday! It's going to be a beautiful one! Go out and enjoy the nice day with your families.

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CMReeder

Aug-11-13 8:29 AM

Good letter.

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Tedeaux

Aug-11-13 8:31 AM

If what Andy33 is alluding to is true about the letter writer being not only Rick242, but a college professor, well that explains a lot! With liberal idiots like this training our children right at the point where they launch into the world, its no wonder the world is in such poor shape!

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Capricorn1

Aug-11-13 12:59 PM

"Throwing more guns into the equation and laws that allow people to carry guns and shot people just because things don't look right is the wrong way to go." -Rick424

Once again it is the liberal stance that law abiding citizens don't have the right to protect themselves. Well I'm here to tell you, if a thug comes up to me and tries to rob me, I will produce my weapon. That will leave the thug two choices, hang around and get shot, or turn around and run for his life. Either way justice is served.

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rick424

Aug-11-13 4:42 PM

And that thug could produce a bigger weapon, shoot you dead and say it was self defense (by the way it has happen in Florida) Or that thug could be a mixed up teenager with no weapon and end up dead by your gun, but of course, as proven with Zimmerman, you might get away with it.

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Capricorn1

Aug-11-13 5:35 PM

So, I stand there and do nothing to protect myself. No thank you. I would not purposely shoot anyone, but being a retired military man I will definitely use what ever force is necessary to protect myself or my family. And I believe I would have the law on my side. We can agree to disagree and you can allow these criminals to have all the power and control. I will choose to turn the tables on them.

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JohnZook

Aug-12-13 6:29 AM

It doesn't help when young people are convinced that they are the victims of society. White, black, or Hispanic; if they are told that the world looks down on them they will carry that attitude into adult hood and pass it on to their kids. It's a vicious circle, even with the CEO of BET.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Aug-12-13 6:41 AM

"Most of us, I believe, have a verty strong desire to escape from low self esteem as well as a desire to improve our financial situation in the midst of perceived affluence. These two factors increae the conditions for violence in black communities."

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Leave the word "black" out of this sentence and replace it with some other physical characteristic and you are telling me that you would expect the same results!! If I am the shortest, the fattest, the slowest, the ugliest, have difficulties in speech, have the oldest clothes, etc and want to get more money, then I can do whatever..........and it is expected.

Then most of society is justified in lawlessness!

I don't buy it.

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MrShaman

Aug-12-13 6:57 AM

"I'm guessing the average Cogan Station resident hasn't (ever) lived, in Florida, long-enough to be familiar with the DECADES-long conflict...between Blacks & Hispanics." Shaman

Just because a "white Hispanic" shoots a black man in self defense, suddenly it's all part of a "DECADES-long conflict...between Blacks & Hispanics." - Capricorn1

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"DECADES-long conflict...between Blacks & Hispanics.", in FLORIDA!!!!!

I guess you "overlooked" that part.

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wwhickok

Aug-12-13 6:59 AM

If I see another one of these letters printed I swear I think I'm going to throw up.

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Capricorn1

Aug-12-13 2:05 PM

Shaman I'm still waiting for your facts to back up your assertion that Zimmerman is a racist, that the shooting was racially motivated and that it was part of a DECADES-long conflict...between Blacks & Hispanics.", in FLORIDA..... like usual I won't be expecting any to be forthcoming. Just more of the same old drivel from you.

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bogoman

Aug-19-13 5:39 PM

"It doesn't help when young people are convinced that they are the victims of society. White, black, or Hispanic; if they are told that the world looks down on them they will carry that attitude into adult hood"

They don't need to be told.

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