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August 13, 2013

A recent letter writer made the claim that the founders of our country were liberals. The writer was correct....

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gavinf56

Aug-15-13 6:19 PM

You are the one that said Phil's comment was a huge lie. All I asked of you was to explain why it was a lie, of which we all knew you would not do. Trolls never do.

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CMReeder

Aug-15-13 1:28 PM

How can one define your obtuse question Gavin when no one the right defines what natural rights means to them. All they ever do is say natural rights and leave it hanging in the air. I am not a troll you however are evasive in what you mean.

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gavinf56

Aug-14-13 6:49 PM

I see Chuck cannot answer a simple question, but one expects nothing more from someone who has resorted to being a troll.

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gavinf56

Aug-14-13 6:48 PM

"The other-person, being armed, if that other person is a minority...would be my guess." - MrShaman

Ehhh, wrong answer. tell him what his consolation prize is Chuck.

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MrShaman

Aug-14-13 12:43 PM

"Enlightenment is from God." - ToTEXASfromPA

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Please.

TRUE "Enlightenment" was delivered by Johannes Gutenberg.

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MrShaman

Aug-14-13 12:32 PM

"Rick, libertarians and most conservatives want everyone to have all of their natural rights."

That is a huge lie." - CMReeder

So which natural rights don't they want them to have, Chuck?" - gavinf56

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The other-person, being armed, if that other person is a minority...would be my guess.

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MrShaman

Aug-14-13 12:28 PM

"Don't they teach the difference between classical liberalism and modern liberalism in the schools here?" - JerryfromRI

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I think you'd need to consult an EIBS-"grad", regarding such variations.

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MrShaman

Aug-14-13 12:21 PM

"That's not gridlock, that's sticking to YOUR beliefs. And if you were voted to Congress for those beliefs, you better stick to them.- JohnZook

This is one of my problems with some of our elected reps. Sticking with your beliefs is one thing, but when it gets to a point where it cannot allow you to compromise & do what is in the best interest for the vast majority of people, then IMO you are in the wrong profession." - Scott36

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You're (of course) assuming the T-Baggin' Class O' 2010 (actually) intended to get things done. I'm guessing they (merely) hu$tled OTHER 'Baggers...and, ended-up with a MUCH-better-paying job than they had, previously!!!

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MrShaman

Aug-14-13 12:15 PM

Chuck: 'The definition of liberal has not changed'

As usual you're full of it." - SteelerFan

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So...exactly when WAS it, that Webster made the CHANGE, you're insisting occurred??

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MrShaman

Aug-14-13 12:11 PM

"The definition of liberal has not changed. That is just another false assertion of the right wing. It was not too long ago that the right said that the Founding Fathers and the principles they laid out for us was conservative. Now they are admitting that it was liberal afterall, they still are trying to take credit for it." - CMReeder

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Hmmmmmm...doesn't that qualify as FLIP-FLOPPING?

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MrShaman

Aug-14-13 12:07 PM

"Sham @ 8:31- You bring up the 2010 election and the "gridlock" it brought. It isn't gridlock, it's different values that are opposed to "big gov't and big spending". Example; I want you to believe in God for the good of the American people. What? You don't believe in God? How can you deprive the American people of their belief in God?" - JohnZook

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How do MY beliefs deprive anyone of anything??

Your premise is as nonsensical as suggesting Gay-marriages impact hetero-marriages.

Where's the "connection", in EITHER scenario???????

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MrShaman

Aug-14-13 12:00 PM

"One must be careful to define the terms he or she uses by defining their meaning relative to the period in which they are used."

Good point." - DavidBross

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Wouldn't it make much-more sense...for consistency's sake...to maintain the dictates/"revelations" o' the Good Book; Webster's Dictionary?

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MrShaman

Aug-14-13 11:51 AM

"We’ve “progressed” from the hard tyranny of British rule to the soft tyranny of rule by a permanent, growing, bureaucracy, which is a mild expression of totalitarianism." - philunderwood

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I guess that's why our form of governing has been described as our "Experiment In Democracy".

If you look, hard enough, I'm sure you could find something, else...somewhere, else.

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MrShaman

Aug-14-13 11:40 AM

"Sham, the enlightenment was all that you posted, but it also included natural rights, which you seem to have chosen to eliminate in your attempt at narrative." - philunderwood

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The only "natural" rights, I'm aware-of, are those bestowed by Ma Nature; i.e. kill, or BE killed.

I'd LIKE to think we've evolved, as a species, beyond that.

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CMReeder

Aug-14-13 9:52 AM

Then there are people who believe in the word of God and turn out not very 'enlighten'.

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CMReeder

Aug-14-13 9:49 AM

Gavin is being droll again and obtuse. Why don't you and Phil state which natural rights you uphold? You two are very good at terminology but lack definition.

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CMReeder

Aug-14-13 9:47 AM

Actually Steeler you are the one who is full of it. Liberalism has not changed.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Aug-13-13 8:48 PM

"There was the true Light which, coming into the world, ENLIGHTENS every man. He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. He came to His own, and those who were His own did not receive Him. But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God." --John 1:9-13

Enlightenment is from God.

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gavinf56

Aug-13-13 8:41 PM

""Rick, libertarians and most conservatives want everyone to have all of their natural rights."

That is a huge lie." - CMReeder

So which natural rights don't they want them to have, Chuck? or are you just trolling again?

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JerryfromRI

Aug-13-13 6:00 PM

Don't they teach the difference between classical liberalism and modern liberalism in the schools here?

Well played Phil.

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Shulski

Aug-13-13 3:50 PM

Mr. Underwood should be congratulated for putting for a well articulated, classical conservative position. Independents who 'lean to the left', like myself,like debating on these terms. Don't get me wrong, the word 'liberal' does mean liberty. Now, what Mr. Underwood brings my attention to is the fact that the federal gov. has limited freedom in a non-liberal way. Mr. Underwood has a keen understanding of political philosophy I can respect.

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Scott36

Aug-13-13 3:24 PM

That's not gridlock, that's sticking to YOUR beliefs. And if you were voted to Congress for those beliefs, you better stick to them.-JohnZook This is one of my problems with some of our elected reps. Sticking with your beliefs is one thing, but when it gets to a point where it cannot allow you to compromise & do what is in the best interest for the vast majority of people, then IMO you are in the wrong profession.

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SteelerFan

Aug-13-13 3:17 PM

Chuck: 'The definition of liberal has not changed'

As usual you're full of it.

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CMReeder

Aug-13-13 11:02 AM

"Rick, libertarians and most conservatives want everyone to have all of their natural rights."

That is a huge lie.

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CMReeder

Aug-13-13 10:58 AM

The definition of liberal has not changed. That is just another false assertion of the right wing. It was not too long ago that the right said that the Founding Fathers and the principles they laid out for us was conservative. Now they are admitting that it was liberal afterall, they still are trying to take credit for it.

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