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August 13, 2013

A recent letter writer made the claim that the founders of our country were liberals. The writer was correct....

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gavinf56

Aug-13-13 4:56 AM

Good letter Phil.

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MrShaman

Aug-13-13 6:13 AM

"A recent letter writer made the claim that the founders of our country were liberals. The writer was correct. Conservatives wanted to remain British subjects while liberals wanted to apply the principles of the enlightenment and free us from the tyranny of British rule." - Phil Underwood

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BINGO!!!!

I remember reading, years ago, a theory suggesting the majority of Americans are "outlaws", via our DNA. This Country was "discovered" (and, proceeded) by people who were MORE-than-willing to take (whatever) risks, required, to enhance the quality of their lives!!!

Unfortunately, too many people have become quite-comfortable, tolerating those 1%ers/high-roller$/"job-creators" (who've been sitting on all their ca$h..."fearful" of inve$ting in this Country); an aberration of those who BUILT this Nation!

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See:

Why Troublemaker Kids Make Great Entrepreneurs

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ToTEXASfromPA

Aug-13-13 6:22 AM

"liberals wanted to apply the principles of the enlightenment and free us from the tyranny of British rule."

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I thought that adherence to the natural law, the unalienable rights, set up by our Creator had something to do with it.

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MrShaman

Aug-13-13 6:35 AM

"Today's conservatives, joined by libertarians, want to return to the enlightenment principles of freedom from the government tyranny our founders risked their lives and fortunes for..." - Phil Underwood

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RETURN??!!! How can someone "return" to ANYTHING, to which their aversion has been MOST-evident??!!!

Tories/"conservatives" have a LEGENDARY-preference for the Status Quo.

It isn't Liberals/Progressives who've been lobbying AGAINST Change...since November 2008.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Aug-13-13 6:36 AM

"I remember reading, years ago, a theory suggesting the majority of Americans are "outlaws", via our DNA."--MrShaman

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I don't think it is DNA; instead it is sin and a "me first selfishness".

Otherwise, we would have a basis for no laws since someone would claim they were made that way; they can't help it. Those darn law abiding people oppressing those genetically programmed outlaws!!!! :-)

Many times it is the creative, the adventuresome, those that want to know "how something ticks", those that don't believe the teacher is always right, etc. that do lead to new discoveries and problem solving.

To infinity and beyond, with God's help.

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Capricorn1

Aug-13-13 6:43 AM

See:

Why Troublemaker Kids Make Great Entrepreneurs -Shaman

I had a free minute so I Googled your reference and what did I find... a link to the FOX Business web site that has the exact same title you referenced. You old dog you, you have been a closet Fox supporter all along. Priceless.

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Capricorn1

Aug-13-13 6:50 AM

It isn't Liberals/Progressives who've been lobbying AGAINST Change...since November 2008. -Shaman

Many are still waiting for the hope, change and transparency that was promised in 2008. Instead we got more of the same. Big government and massive spending. And it won't change with the next president either until we get leaders both in the White House and Capitol Hill that are brave enough to drop the party line and do what's right for this country instead of what their party "dictates". And I don't see that happening anytime soon no matter who wins the oval office in 2016.

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Capricorn1

Aug-13-13 7:23 AM

Dbratz I used to be against term limits because I believed like many believe, that it's our responsibility as voters to set term limits. The problem is, we're doing a lousy job. The career politicians on both sides of the aisle are the ones you hear speaking the loudest and accomplishing nothing.

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philunderwood

Aug-13-13 7:54 AM

“I thought that adherence to the natural law, the unalienable rights, set up by our Creator had something to do with it.”

Tex, your statement is consistent with the principles of the enlightenment which is where the principle of natural rights originated.

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MrShaman

Aug-13-13 8:16 AM

"I remember reading, years ago, a theory suggesting the majority of Americans are "outlaws", via our DNA."--MrShaman

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I don't think it is DNA; instead it is sin and a "me first selfishness"." - ToTEXASfromPA

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That's your option.

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MrShaman

Aug-13-13 8:28 AM

See:

Why Troublemaker Kids Make Great Entrepreneurs -Shaman

I had a free minute so I Googled your reference and what did I find... a link to the FOX Business web site that has the exact same title you referenced. You old dog you, you have been a closet Fox supporter all along. Priceless." - Capricorn1

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Hate to disappoint you, but...I (first) read it at the Businessweek site.

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MrShaman

Aug-13-13 8:31 AM

It isn't Liberals/Progressives who've been lobbying AGAINST Change...since November 2008. -Shaman

"Many are still waiting for the hope, change and transparency that was promised in 2008. Instead we got more of the same. Big government and massive spending." - Capricorn1

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...ALL, compliments of the House T-Bagger Class O' 2010's gridlock-"efforts".

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MrShaman

Aug-13-13 8:40 AM

“I thought that adherence to the natural law, the unalienable rights, set up by our Creator had something to do with it.”

Tex, your statement is consistent with the principles of the enlightenment which is where the principle of natural rights originated." - philunderwood

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You fans o' phantoms really DO need to get-over your need to create "history".

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"Its purpose was to reform society using REASON, CHALLENGE ideas grounded in TRADITION and FAITH, and advance knowledge through the SCIENTIFIC method."

See:

Age of Enlightenment (Wikipedia)

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CMReeder

Aug-13-13 8:43 AM

Way to go Phil, you assume to know but show you don't. The right is not enlightened, they never will be.

Mr Miller wrote that liberals and socialists ruined this country starting in the late 18th century. By his assertions I easily proved that liberals created this country, it will not be conservatives and libertarians who will preserve this country.

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rick424

Aug-13-13 9:06 AM

Conservatives I know would love to take the country way back where personal rights(except theirs) would be taken away, some of my liberal friends would like to drive it off a cliff, there has to be some middle ground somewhere.

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philunderwood

Aug-13-13 9:10 AM

We’ve “progressed” from the hard tyranny of British rule to the soft tyranny of rule by a permanent, growing, bureaucracy, which is a mild expression of totalitarianism. Term limits will do little to change the ever-growing bureaucracy.

Sham, the enlightenment was all that you posted, but it also included natural rights, which you seem to have chosen to eliminate in your attempt at narrative.

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philunderwood

Aug-13-13 9:13 AM

Rick, libertarians and most conservatives want everyone to have all of their natural rights.

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SteelerFan

Aug-13-13 9:28 AM

Chuck: 'Mr Miller wrote that liberals and socialists ruined this country starting in the late 18th century. By his assertions I easily proved that liberals created this country, it will not be conservatives and libertarians who will preserve this country.'

'Liberals' may have created this country, but the definition of Liberal has changed drastically over the years and I think that is one of the points Phil is making, IMHO.

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DavidBross

Aug-13-13 9:28 AM

"One must be careful to define the terms he or she uses by defining their meaning relative to the period in which they are used." Good point. I think the terms "Republican" and "Democrat" also had different meanings two hundred years ago from what they mean now.

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JohnZook

Aug-13-13 9:46 AM

Sham @ 8:31- You bring up the 2010 election and the "gridlock" it brought. It isn't gridlock, it's different values that are opposed to "big gov't and big spending". Example; I want you to believe in God for the good of the American people. What? You don't believe in God? How can you deprive the American people of their belief in God? You want GRIDLOCK don't you! and on and on. That's not gridlock, that's sticking to YOUR beliefs. And if you were voted to Congress for those beliefs, you better stick to them.

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CMReeder

Aug-13-13 10:58 AM

The definition of liberal has not changed. That is just another false assertion of the right wing. It was not too long ago that the right said that the Founding Fathers and the principles they laid out for us was conservative. Now they are admitting that it was liberal afterall, they still are trying to take credit for it.

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CMReeder

Aug-13-13 11:02 AM

"Rick, libertarians and most conservatives want everyone to have all of their natural rights."

That is a huge lie.

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SteelerFan

Aug-13-13 3:17 PM

Chuck: 'The definition of liberal has not changed'

As usual you're full of it.

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Scott36

Aug-13-13 3:24 PM

That's not gridlock, that's sticking to YOUR beliefs. And if you were voted to Congress for those beliefs, you better stick to them.-JohnZook This is one of my problems with some of our elected reps. Sticking with your beliefs is one thing, but when it gets to a point where it cannot allow you to compromise & do what is in the best interest for the vast majority of people, then IMO you are in the wrong profession.

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Shulski

Aug-13-13 3:50 PM

Mr. Underwood should be congratulated for putting for a well articulated, classical conservative position. Independents who 'lean to the left', like myself,like debating on these terms. Don't get me wrong, the word 'liberal' does mean liberty. Now, what Mr. Underwood brings my attention to is the fact that the federal gov. has limited freedom in a non-liberal way. Mr. Underwood has a keen understanding of political philosophy I can respect.

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