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Obamacare: Before it's too late, it must be repealed

August 16, 2013

Maybe it’s a good thing that Congress took its summer recess. Hopefully, they are talking with constituents about the health care law that will start to take full effect shortly after they return....

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MrShaman

Aug-20-13 6:35 AM

"I've heard that people will be eligible for assistance with payment, but I prefer not having my fellow taxpayers support me if I can earn something on my own." - CaveFelem

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That seems to be the larger problem...what people are "hearing", rather-than what they know.

As-far-as your "fellow taxpayers" supporting you...if you "can earn something" on your own...I feel the same, regarding S.S., that it should be means-tested.

Our (other) option...to avoid for-profit insurance rip-offs...is the public-option.

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CaveFelem

Aug-17-13 8:38 AM

Shaman, I know exactly how much my health insurance plan costs. For two people, it's right around $15,000 per year. I pay $4,000, the company pays $11,000. It's one of the benefits I earn as an employee.

What you can't get through your thick head is (1) it's cheaper for my company to pay the fine than to provide insurance, (2) no, they're not going to give me $11K and say "oh, here, this is to help pay for insurance".

The other thing working people are worried about is being cut back to part time hours, which is a 25% pay cut, at least, and then be expected to pay for insurance. It's not doable. I've heard that people will be eligible for assistance with payment, but I prefer not having my fellow taxpayers support me if I can earn something on my own.

Oh, and I'm 50 years old. I've been employed full time for 29 years and have had employer provided health insurance during that time. The ACA is something I am concerned about and will affect me and millions of other

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MrShaman

Aug-17-13 5:52 AM

How amusing...hearing all o' the "big, bad" "conservatives"/"libertarians" complaining about not having ENOUGH FREEDOM, in their lives...yet, carrying-on like a bunch o' spoiled, little kids...when "threatened" with the responsibility of RESEARCHING the health-insurance policy that (best) fits them!!

Face it. Your EMPLOYER has ("pretty"-much) been BABYSITTING YOU...and, you have NO IDEA how expensive your health-care's been!!!!

It's time you start growing-up...and, quit blaming Obama for your laziness/ignorance.

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MrShaman

Aug-17-13 5:43 AM

"Employers can terminate their employee coverage, give their workers a raise with part of the savings, and let the taxpayers bear the cost of subsidizing their coverage in the Exchanges. Former CBO Director Douglas Holtz-Eakin estimated in a study for the American Action Forum that more than 40 million workers would lose their employer coverage due to these perverse incentives."

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Just proves President Obama is in cahoots with big business in allowing them to move costs of ObamaCare to the employees. He doesn't care about the citizens. Lip service as usual." - ToTEXASfromPA

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So...you're in-need of what...boot-straps...or, a BABYSITTER?

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MrShaman

Aug-17-13 5:40 AM

"How do you figure adding thousands of dollars in premiums, deductibles and copays is going to help the economy or the cost of health care? I don't see the correlation."

"...everyone would be responsible just like auto insurance and the market would be competitive with each getting the coverage that fit their needs." - Bobbie2

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It's called Obamacare, Goober.

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MrShaman

Aug-17-13 5:36 AM

"Typical MrShaman - spout all sorts of stuff from behind your keyboard about things that don't affect you personally." - CaveFelem

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Ah, yes! How "satisfying" it is...having no health-insurance, at all!!!

How old ARE you??!!!!

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MrShaman

Aug-17-13 5:33 AM

"CBO admits that after 10 years of implementation, Obamacare will still leave 30 million uninsured."

"In February, CBO reported that “in 2019 [5 years after Obamacare is implemented], an estimated 12 million people who would have had an offer of employment-based coverage under prior law will lose their offer under current law" - Bobbie2

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A WorldNutzDaily article? Really??!!!

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mikekerstetter

Aug-17-13 5:01 AM

Now, granted, even though I like a couple of the aspects of it, like pre existing and covering kids until age 26, Obamacare is not the answer. But, kind of like your idea where everybody pays, I do think that a single payer system where every working person pays a dedicated tax towards the system would work. Base it on an HMO with co-pays so that those who use it more pay more.

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mikekerstetter

Aug-17-13 4:56 AM

Bobbie2-"Add?? Nothing would be added, everyone would be responsible just like auto insurance and the market would be competitive with each getting the coverage that fit their needs. With the actual money coming from each pocket there would be much more responsibility taken in regards to ones own health. Why do you think it is up to someone else to provide for your care?"

Bobbie, you do realize that you are 'adding' costs to every family's budget when you make them pay for their own premiums, deductibles and copays, right? All of this extra money is money that could be spent on goods and services which is what really drives the economy. I believe that that making everyone use their out of pocket money will hurt the economy even more and there will be more people using the ER for their primary care physician and stiffing the hospitals and providers with the bill. I just think there has to be a better way. cont'd

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ToTEXASfromPA

Aug-17-13 12:47 AM

"Employers can terminate their employee coverage, give their workers a raise with part of the savings, and let the taxpayers bear the cost of subsidizing their coverage in the Exchanges. Former CBO Director Douglas Holtz-Eakin estimated in a study for the American Action Forum that more than 40 million workers would lose their employer coverage due to these perverse incentives."

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Just proves President Obama is in cahoots with big business in allowing them to move costs of ObamaCare to the employees. He doesn't care about the citizens. Lip service as usual.

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mikekerstetter

Aug-16-13 12:51 PM

Bobbie2-"CaveFelem the simple answer to this problem is and always has been, eliminate employer provided health insurance."

How do you figure adding thousands of dollars in premiums, deductibles and copays is going to help the economy or the cost of health care? I don't see the correlation.

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CaveFelem

Aug-16-13 9:59 AM

Bobbie2 - I read the part about employers giving their employees a raise with part of the savings. You should have put a warning on that one - nearly spit coffee out of my nose. That will never happen!!

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CaveFelem

Aug-16-13 9:57 AM

Typical MrShaman - spout all sorts of stuff from behind your keyboard about things that don't affect you personally.

Sham is very reflective of your username.

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Capricorn1

Aug-16-13 9:32 AM

Hey Mike, we both think alike when it comes to the need of a college education for many of the jobs in society, but you would think that healthcare would be included in the increasing high cost of college tuition. Yea, don't see that happening.

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MrShaman

Aug-16-13 8:47 AM

"And MrShaman you still didn't answer the question. 2003 was 10 years ago. What about now?" - CaveFelem

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Hmmmmmm...how do T-BAGGERS spell N-O-P-E?

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MrShaman

Aug-16-13 8:44 AM

"Shaman, perhaps you could enlighten all of us to the facts of Obamacare." - Capricorn1

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AGAIN??!!!!!

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See:

Implementation Timeline - Kaiser Health Reform

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Timeline: What's Changing and When

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CaveFelem

Aug-16-13 8:44 AM

And MrShaman you still didn't answer the question. 2003 was 10 years ago. What about now?

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MrShaman

Aug-16-13 8:36 AM

Gee...how "ominous"...especially for all those who make all o' their decisions on what "They say...", as-opposed-to any actual facts. -Shaman

This coming from someone who quotes The Daily KOS." - Capricorn1

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...AND, continues to WHUP "conservative"-butt (here), on a regular-basis.

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MrShaman

Aug-16-13 8:32 AM

MrShaman, again, I will ask you - do you have health insurance currently?" - CaveFelem

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NOPE!!!!

I did contract-work, from early-'96, thru early '03.

When I (first) bought health-insurance ('96), it was $245/mo. By 2000, it had gone up to $275. Begining in 2000...THRU 2003...it had gone UP, $100/mo., each year! That made it $575/mo., in 2003.

After doing the appropriate research, it was TOO obvious the for-profit insurers were (merely) trying to MAINTAIN their '90s profit-margin, by jacking-up rates!!!

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mikekerstetter

Aug-16-13 7:57 AM

USABorn-"IF they go on to college, the insurance should cover them for FOUR YEARS, BUT NOT for career students!"

So, you begrudge those whose career choice demands a Masters or Doctorate being covered by health insurance while they are getting that education if they are not working a job which covers them with health insurance?

I'm not a real fan of a college education for most people/jobs, but for those occupations that require them (like a Doctor) I find it odd that you want to deny them to be covered.

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mikekerstetter

Aug-16-13 7:52 AM

Shaman, I've long been a supporter of a single payer (or National Health care) system. Nothing new here.

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mikekerstetter

Aug-16-13 7:50 AM

USABorn-"When my kids went to college, we had to submit proof that they would be attending."

I have to submit an affidavit every year swearing that my college student daughter isn't covered by other insurance. Not much different.

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Capricorn1

Aug-16-13 7:35 AM

Shaman, perhaps you could enlighten all of us to the facts of Obamacare. Because frankly, I haven't read the thousands of pages that make up this "save all" bill that you praise. I would be willing to bet you haven't either just as most of Congress didn't before they even signed it. This bill was thrown together haphazardly from the beginning and rushed through the process while democrats still held the majority. Instead of taking a systematic approach and addressing each issue of our healthcare system separately, they threw a few liberal lawyers and doctors in a room and came back with this monstrosity. Costs have changed countless times and promises broken. We were told there would be no new tax, but the Supreme Court stated it was just that. Billions spent just in advertising to try and "convince" people how good this will be for them. Only time will tell but I'm sure glad I'm retired military and the VA takes care of me. It has to be better than what's coming.

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rick424

Aug-16-13 7:32 AM

I agree 100% with mikekerstetter, it is the only way. Very good comment Mike.

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Capricorn1

Aug-16-13 7:11 AM

Gee...how "ominous"...especially for all those who make all o' their decisions on what "They say...", as-opposed-to any actual facts. -Shaman

This coming from someone who quotes The Daily KOS.

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