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Obamacare: Before it's too late, it must be repealed

August 16, 2013

Maybe it’s a good thing that Congress took its summer recess. Hopefully, they are talking with constituents about the health care law that will start to take full effect shortly after they return....

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mikekerstetter

Aug-16-13 5:11 AM

I'm not so convinced that ACA will have more of an impact on the economy than what our current healthcare costs are already having. Let's face it, the companies already providing health insurance and the people already paying premiums and out of pocket expenses already put a huge drain on the economy. I know there are a lot who don't agree, but I think the best way is to convert to a single payer system with all employers and employees paying a dedicated tax to fund it. Medicare, Medicaid and VA monies could be eliminated or diverted to the new system. At some point we have to address health care costs if we are really serious about our economic health.

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USABorn

Aug-16-13 5:46 AM

Obamacare will cause horrendous misery to millions. Repeal it completely and take reform a step at a time. To start, open competition for insurance across state lines, and give us tort reform.

And the idea of "children" being on mommy and daddy's insurance until "age 26" is ludicrous!!!! We should go back to removing children at the end of the year in which they graduate high school. IF they go on to college, the insurance should cover them for FOUR YEARS, BUT NOT for career students! When my kids went to college, we had to submit proof that they would be attending.

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MrShaman

Aug-16-13 6:03 AM

"Unless every survey regarding Obamacare is woefully inaccurate, the majority of Americans don't like the national health care reform that is about to be foisted on them.

Individuals have heard about 20- and 30-percent rate increases coming with the law."

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Gee...how "ominous"...especially for all those who make all o' their decisions on what "They say...", as-opposed-to any actual facts.

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MrShaman

Aug-16-13 6:05 AM

"I agree 100% with your piece.

If, God forbid, the ACA actually stays as is as a law, we will all see a total and complete and absolute economic collapse." - Francine

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You DO know Miss Cleo is a fraud, correct??

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MrShaman

Aug-16-13 6:10 AM

"I'm not so convinced that ACA will have more of an impact on the economy than what our current healthcare costs are already having. Let's face it, the companies already providing health insurance and the people already paying premiums and out of pocket expenses already put a huge drain on the economy. I know there are a lot who don't agree, but I think the best way is to convert to a single payer system with all employers and employees paying a dedicated tax to fund it. Medicare, Medicaid and VA monies could be eliminated or diverted to the new system." - mikekerstetter

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WHOAH!!!!!!!

WELCOME to the ranks of PROGRESSIVES!!!

The most-likely/least-labor-intensive conversion could easily be to expand Medicare...open to one-and-all..

Once, again....CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!

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MrShaman

Aug-16-13 6:12 AM

"Obamacare will cause horrendous misery to millions." - USABorn

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You DO know Porky Limbaugh barely made it thru 2 months of college, correct??

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MrShaman

Aug-16-13 6:20 AM

Health Care In Canada [Wikipedia]

"The government assures the quality of care through federal standards. The government does not participate in day-to-day care or collect any information about an individual's health, which remains confidential between a person and his or her physician. Canada's provincially based Medicare systems are cost-effective partly because of their administrative simplicity. In each province each doctor handles the insurance claim against the provincial insurer. There is no need for the person who accesses health care to be involved in billing and reclaim."

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spike2

Aug-16-13 6:29 AM

USA - basically your implication is a Dr., lawyer, anyone holding a PhD is a career student? We have a woefully under educated population. Why would you prefer that the very top students and their families pay even more annually. You might feel differently if it was your children who attained the highest degrees. We need to do something about our current health system or the lack thereof and the escalating current costs. Francine - ask your controller for some hard numbers and the basis. Maybe you could share where the substantial increases will take place and why.

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CaveFelem

Aug-16-13 6:30 AM

MrShaman, again, I will ask you - do you have health insurance currently? In what fashion? Do you pay for it yourself, does your employer subsidize it, and you pay a copay, or does the government provide it for you?

Those of us who work for private companies are very, very concerned about this. We're afraid we'll be made part time workers (if below 30 hours, at least a 25% pay cut) and then on top of that, have to purchase "affordable" insurance from a government exchange. This has the potential to drastically change millions of lives.

So I ask you - what is your circumstance? I'm sure many would like to know given all your support for this bill.

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Capricorn1

Aug-16-13 7:11 AM

Gee...how "ominous"...especially for all those who make all o' their decisions on what "They say...", as-opposed-to any actual facts. -Shaman

This coming from someone who quotes The Daily KOS.

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rick424

Aug-16-13 7:32 AM

I agree 100% with mikekerstetter, it is the only way. Very good comment Mike.

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Capricorn1

Aug-16-13 7:35 AM

Shaman, perhaps you could enlighten all of us to the facts of Obamacare. Because frankly, I haven't read the thousands of pages that make up this "save all" bill that you praise. I would be willing to bet you haven't either just as most of Congress didn't before they even signed it. This bill was thrown together haphazardly from the beginning and rushed through the process while democrats still held the majority. Instead of taking a systematic approach and addressing each issue of our healthcare system separately, they threw a few liberal lawyers and doctors in a room and came back with this monstrosity. Costs have changed countless times and promises broken. We were told there would be no new tax, but the Supreme Court stated it was just that. Billions spent just in advertising to try and "convince" people how good this will be for them. Only time will tell but I'm sure glad I'm retired military and the VA takes care of me. It has to be better than what's coming.

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mikekerstetter

Aug-16-13 7:50 AM

USABorn-"When my kids went to college, we had to submit proof that they would be attending."

I have to submit an affidavit every year swearing that my college student daughter isn't covered by other insurance. Not much different.

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mikekerstetter

Aug-16-13 7:52 AM

Shaman, I've long been a supporter of a single payer (or National Health care) system. Nothing new here.

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mikekerstetter

Aug-16-13 7:57 AM

USABorn-"IF they go on to college, the insurance should cover them for FOUR YEARS, BUT NOT for career students!"

So, you begrudge those whose career choice demands a Masters or Doctorate being covered by health insurance while they are getting that education if they are not working a job which covers them with health insurance?

I'm not a real fan of a college education for most people/jobs, but for those occupations that require them (like a Doctor) I find it odd that you want to deny them to be covered.

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MrShaman

Aug-16-13 8:32 AM

MrShaman, again, I will ask you - do you have health insurance currently?" - CaveFelem

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NOPE!!!!

I did contract-work, from early-'96, thru early '03.

When I (first) bought health-insurance ('96), it was $245/mo. By 2000, it had gone up to $275. Begining in 2000...THRU 2003...it had gone UP, $100/mo., each year! That made it $575/mo., in 2003.

After doing the appropriate research, it was TOO obvious the for-profit insurers were (merely) trying to MAINTAIN their '90s profit-margin, by jacking-up rates!!!

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MrShaman

Aug-16-13 8:36 AM

Gee...how "ominous"...especially for all those who make all o' their decisions on what "They say...", as-opposed-to any actual facts. -Shaman

This coming from someone who quotes The Daily KOS." - Capricorn1

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...AND, continues to WHUP "conservative"-butt (here), on a regular-basis.

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CaveFelem

Aug-16-13 8:44 AM

And MrShaman you still didn't answer the question. 2003 was 10 years ago. What about now?

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MrShaman

Aug-16-13 8:44 AM

"Shaman, perhaps you could enlighten all of us to the facts of Obamacare." - Capricorn1

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AGAIN??!!!!!

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See:

Implementation Timeline - Kaiser Health Reform

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Timeline: What's Changing and When

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MrShaman

Aug-16-13 8:47 AM

"And MrShaman you still didn't answer the question. 2003 was 10 years ago. What about now?" - CaveFelem

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Hmmmmmm...how do T-BAGGERS spell N-O-P-E?

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Capricorn1

Aug-16-13 9:32 AM

Hey Mike, we both think alike when it comes to the need of a college education for many of the jobs in society, but you would think that healthcare would be included in the increasing high cost of college tuition. Yea, don't see that happening.

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CaveFelem

Aug-16-13 9:57 AM

Typical MrShaman - spout all sorts of stuff from behind your keyboard about things that don't affect you personally.

Sham is very reflective of your username.

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CaveFelem

Aug-16-13 9:59 AM

Bobbie2 - I read the part about employers giving their employees a raise with part of the savings. You should have put a warning on that one - nearly spit coffee out of my nose. That will never happen!!

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mikekerstetter

Aug-16-13 12:51 PM

Bobbie2-"CaveFelem the simple answer to this problem is and always has been, eliminate employer provided health insurance."

How do you figure adding thousands of dollars in premiums, deductibles and copays is going to help the economy or the cost of health care? I don't see the correlation.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Aug-17-13 12:47 AM

"Employers can terminate their employee coverage, give their workers a raise with part of the savings, and let the taxpayers bear the cost of subsidizing their coverage in the Exchanges. Former CBO Director Douglas Holtz-Eakin estimated in a study for the American Action Forum that more than 40 million workers would lose their employer coverage due to these perverse incentives."

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Just proves President Obama is in cahoots with big business in allowing them to move costs of ObamaCare to the employees. He doesn't care about the citizens. Lip service as usual.

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