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Steakhouse traffic study moves ahead

August 16, 2013

Muncy Township supervisors on Wednesday recommended final approval to move forward with the proposed traffic analysis for the development of a Longhorn Steakhouse near the Lycoming Mall....

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JohnZook

Aug-16-13 5:50 AM

Traffic study? Revisit in 30 days? I don't know the exact tract of land their talking about, but if it was a gov't building there would be very little discussion about traffic and access. They would just put it up.

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Capricorn1

Aug-16-13 6:00 AM

John I agree and people wonder why more businesses don't come to this area.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Aug-16-13 6:51 AM

The mall looked dead when I was there in late May; I am sure the traffic for the steakhouse wouldn't hurt it.

My big concern is can this area support the prices that that establishment charges for their product. I am afraid there would not be enough business and it would close within 18 months of opening.

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LeisureSuitLarry

Aug-16-13 6:57 AM

The only area I can think of is the tract of land between Best Buy and Toys-R-Us. A Longhorn Steakhouse would be way more popular and busy than both of those stores combined and I can understand the traffic problems it would present in that location. That entrance from 180 into the mall is bad enough as it is - you have everyone coming from that ramp through the traffic light and having to condense to the center lane to get to the roundabout for the mall or be forced into McDonald's if they stay in the right lane. Best Buy's left turn lane there is bad enough and I can only imagine the traffic jams and collisions if that many more cars would try to turn left there to get to that access road that runs from BB to T-R-Us. So how would they direct traffic into Longhorn? I love Longhorn and would love to have it here and hope they can figure it out.

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wwhickok

Aug-16-13 7:04 AM

LSL, I agree that it would be great to have it here and I think you might be right about where they would like to put it. My guess, truthfully, is that if that IS where they want to put it, they'll likely have to completely redo that entire section of road including the traffic circles and redesign it so that it allows for acceptable flowing traffic and easy access to all the surrounding businesses, the only way I can envision this happening is if they cut into the Mall Parking lot a bit, which to me, wouldn't matter since..lets face it, no one ever parks that far back (or at least rarely).

I'm really excited about Buffalo Wild Wings coming in and I'm excited about the idea of Longhorn Steakhouse coming in. I loved it when Fridays came in, it gets a ton of business. Cracker Barrell gets a ton of business. People like these big chain, high quality restaurants. I don't think Cracker Barrell is all that expensive, I haven't been to a Longhorn Steakhouse so I don't know what

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wwhickok

Aug-16-13 7:05 AM

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their prices are like, but I'm sure there is enough people in the local areas that will fill up the tables.

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nobud74

Aug-16-13 8:37 AM

The area is growing and there is a higher demand for these chain restaurants. But, I don't go to them, I go to locally owned and operated places and try to buy all I can from local businesses. These are the businesses that your kids go to for donations for their fundraisers, these are the businesses who have been loyal to the community for many years, these are the businesses that provide value for their customers and care about their customers. You can get office products, clothing, hunting equipment and clothing, quality foods and more from local businesses who have been the lifeblood of your communities for many years. For instance, I go to a local garage for my oil changes and pay less than the chain place, which reflects how local places generally have better prices and quality than the chains stores.

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RastusPKumquat

Aug-16-13 8:51 AM

It will be interesting to see what actually happens. Where will the LSH end up, if it gets approved?

It would really be nice to see something more like a locally owned and operated establishment open up there.

I like local businesses far more than I would care to see yet another chain store open.

Time will tell. I just hope that the right long-term decision is made.

Not just a short-sighted short-term 'bring in more money' decision being made.

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wwhickok

Aug-16-13 11:28 AM

nobud, Rastus, I don't disagree with either of you. While LSH is appealing and I wouldn't mind its presence, I do agree that I highly enjoy local businesses and restaurants. Family owned places are some of the best in the area honestly. Part of the reason I only buy Schneiders brand Milk, you should want to support your own communities.

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LeisureSuitLarry

Aug-16-13 12:23 PM

That Buffalo Wild Wings looks to me like it's going to be a traffic disaster. Loyalsock might as well just park a Fire Policeman or Rescue Truck right there full time. It appears that traffic coming off the Faxon ramp towards Northway Road will be able to turn right into BWW. Then you have the right turn yield lane to get onto the Golden Strip and almost immediately past that on the Strip is another entrance to BWW - I assume for traffic coming from either West or East on Third Street. So cars coming from the East (Loyal Plaza, Montoursville) will have to turn Left across the Strip just before the red light at Northway Road? Seriously, when you have people flying down from Faxon exit and turning right onto the Strip, or traffic zooming in from 3rd. St./Washington Blvd. I forsee a real cluster you-know-what.

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Capricorn1

Aug-16-13 1:45 PM

LSL I totally agree about Buffalo Wild Wings possibly causing a traffic nightmare because of it's location, but I still say that adding a steakhouse out in the area of the mall is not going to create that much of an added burden on the current infrastructure. I mean look at the golden strip. How many stores and restaurants can you fit on a four lane road with no turning lane? And you're telling me that one steakhouse is going to cause that much congestion? I don't buy it.

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weldnpipe

Aug-17-13 12:16 PM

Agreed Capricorn. Why waste money on a worthless study, just buid it.

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weldnpipe

Aug-17-13 12:17 PM

Did someone study before they permited thee BWW?

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LeisureSuitLarry

Aug-18-13 7:02 AM

They denied Home Depot for some reason involving the exit ramp or traffic flow at that intersection. I guess the Home Depot people didn't grease the proper palms.

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LeisureSuitLarry

Aug-18-13 7:03 AM

Frankly, I'd have rather preferred Home Depot at that site a few years ago over the Hotel and eatery that is going there now.

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suebrian

Aug-18-13 11:08 AM

It is the land between Toys r us and best buy

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suebrian

Aug-18-13 11:12 AM

It is the land between Toys r us and best buy.

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wwhickok

Aug-19-13 6:21 AM

I had heard a Home Depot was supposed to go in there, wondered what had happened, my best guess is that they wanted the city to foot the entire bill, but I could easily be wrong.

As far as the BWW, traffic is already a mess on the Golden Strip with no turning lane, it's going to get seriously bogged down now, so it'll take you about a half hour to get from one strip to the other, I have no down there'll be a few fender benders, but in reality, LSH isn't going to create a "Golden Strip" traffic problem. I have no problem with its existence.

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