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Embassy closings show anti-terrorism strategy not working

August 17, 2013

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MrShaman

Aug-19-13 8:06 AM

MrShaman, Your 6:56 post is so very true, there are others, but he does seem to be the king of it!" - Scott36

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He DOES get a "little" help from Roger Ailes.

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"President of Fox News Channel, and chairman of the Fox Television Stations Group, Ailes was a media consultant for Republican presidents Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan, and George H. W. Bush and for Rudy Giuliani’s first mayoral campaign (1989)." [Wikipedia]

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Scott36

Aug-19-13 6:46 AM

MrShaman, Your 6:56 post is so very true, there are others, but he does seem to be the king of it!

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MrShaman

Aug-19-13 5:56 AM

"Capricorn, Again you and I are in pretty much agreement. It simply amazes me how many people will take as fact whichever side is saying WHAT they WANT to hear. The truth is sometimes not what we would like." - Scott36

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...And, Rupert Murdoch surely did know how to capitalize on THAT!!!!!

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MrShaman

Aug-19-13 5:50 AM

"No...it was BU$HCO, alright." - sham

But still you choose to ignore the fact that we could've had OBL before Bush took office." - GoBB62

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This...of COURSE...was back, when too-many people were obsessed with blue-dresses & Kenny Starr's obsession with S E X.

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MrShaman

Aug-19-13 5:44 AM

"Capricorn, On this we are mostly in agreement. My point is(partly) that we have enough enemies in the world without tearing ourselves apart, especially for something as trivial as a political allegiance. This in no way means that Americans should not question our leaders. However I feel that those with which we have political differences should not be viewed as "THE ENEMY", but rather fellow Americans with which we have a difference of opinion." - Scott36

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How 'bout "we" quit picking Presidents, 'cause they're everyone's favorite bar-fly?

How conveniently (too) many people never looked-into the FACTS, when Ann Richards warned us George Jr. was the ONLY person who couldn't find oil...in TEXAS!!!

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MrShaman

Aug-19-13 5:39 AM

"Scott, trusting our leaders is getting tougher and tougher each year. Depending on which poll you read, the percentage of Americans that no longer trust their government is hovering between 75 and 85%. That is a very sad fact but a fact that Washington brought on themselves." - Capricorn1

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...And, CLOWNS (like Porky Limbaugh) took care of keeping every conspiracy-theorist "informed", since the early-'90s.

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MrShaman

Aug-19-13 5:35 AM

"Scott if you read my last post I said it was the failure of both administrations and the intelligence community. My main point was that the Clinton Administration has solid intelligence for years regarding Al Qaeda and no action was ever taken, even after we lost servicemen on the USS Cole. Shaman continues to place 9/11 on the Bush Administration when he was only in office for a matter of months..." - Capricorn1

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...And, had RETAINED (and, proceeded to IGNORE) Richard A. Clarke!!!!!

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"Clarke worked for the State Department during the presidency of Ronald Reagan. In 1992, President George H.W. Bush appointed him to chair the Counter-terrorism Security Group and to a seat on the United States National Security Council. President Bill Clinton retained Clarke and in 1998 promoted him to be the National Coordinator for Security, Infrastructure Protection, and Counter-terrorism, the chief counter-terrorism adviser on the National Security Council."

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MrShaman

Aug-19-13 5:27 AM

"Shaman you are just using tow the party line logic once again and refusing to face the facts regarding Al Qaeda and their rein of attacks in the 90's, and the fact that inaction at that time could have possibly averted 9/11. We were on call and prepared to respond and the Clinton Administration did nothing." - Capricorn1

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Ah, yes...I remember everyone "on call and prepared to respond", with insisting every effort made (by Bill Clinton) was merely "the tail wagging the dog".

I guess you (actually) needed to be there.

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Scott36

Aug-18-13 2:05 PM

DavidBross, Thank you for the kind comment, hopefully I can live up to it. Hope you are having a nice day.

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Scott36

Aug-18-13 2:03 PM

Capricorn, Again you and I are in pretty much agreement. It simply amazes me how many people will take as fact whichever side is saying WHAT they WANT to hear. The truth is sometimes not what we would like. BTW, I am curious, what in your opinion is the "main stream media"?

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Garben78

Aug-18-13 7:06 AM

Why warn them of harm leave them die like Hillary did

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GoBB62

Aug-18-13 5:41 AM

"No...it was BU$HCO, alright." - sham

But still you choose to ignore the fact that we could've had OBL before Bush took office. You're a joke, sham. Plain & simple.

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DavidBross

Aug-17-13 8:29 PM

Scott36, it's nice to see a new and thoughtful name posting on this forum.

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Capricorn1

Aug-17-13 8:28 PM

That should be dividing, not diving. Stupid auto correct.

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Capricorn1

Aug-17-13 8:27 PM

Scott I think media is more responsible for diving this country than anyone. That's why I try and stay clear of main stream media. You can see the effects of that media right here on these message boards and it's the main reason I became an Independent. I want no part of either party.

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Scott36

Aug-17-13 7:39 PM

Capricorn, On this we are mostly in agreement. My point is(partly) that we have enough enemies in the world without tearing ourselves apart, especially for something as trivial as a political allegiance. This in no way means that Americans should not question our leaders. However I feel that those with which we have political differences should not be viewed as "THE ENEMY", but rather fellow Americans with which we have a difference of opinion.

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Capricorn1

Aug-17-13 7:23 PM

Scott, trusting our leaders is getting tougher and tougher each year. Depending on which poll you read, the percentage of Americans that no longer trust their government is hovering between 75 and 85%. That is a very sad fact but a fact that Washington brought on themselves. And frankly I don't see it getting any better any time soon.

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Scott36

Aug-17-13 5:46 PM

Capricorn, This is an issue(9/11, terrorism, etc.) that can be debated to almost no end. E.g.-Why did Bush dissolve the agency that was charged with getting OBL?(I believe Obama started it back up) One could claim Bush was not serious about punishing the mastermind of 9/11. BUT I am not privy to all of the international & domestic politics that were at play. There are times that we as Americans need to trust our leaders, understand/agree with them or not. I can understand frustration with the servicemen & women, however I am sure that there were reasons why things were done as they were. As to what citizens of the country call for, well sometimes as I said we need to trust our elected leaders. Sometimes things go against our wishes, for example it made me sick to my stomach when this great nation resorted to torture, I was taught in school that we were a better nation than those resorted to it. But once more we need to trust our leaders.

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Capricorn1

Aug-17-13 5:00 PM

Scott if you read my last post I said it was the failure of both administrations and the intelligence community. My main point was that the Clinton Administration has solid intelligence for years regarding Al Qaeda and no action was ever taken, even after we lost servicemen on the USS Cole. Shaman continues to place 9/11 on the Bush Administration when he was only in office for a matter of months before a well planned attack was carried out. Yes, Bush was complacent and the buck stops with him regarding decisions that were made or not made by the agencies under him, but one will never know what a swift response could have prevented during the Clinton administration, when Al Qaeda was not in hiding and performing terror attacks across the globe, including on Americans. Personally, myself and many others that were serving at the time were extremely upset after the Cole attack and we could just stand by and do nothing. If you recall, the nation also was calling for action, that never cam

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Scott36

Aug-17-13 3:07 PM

Blaming one man for 9/11 is being extremely narrow minded and uninformed-Capricorn1

There is truth in those words, however trying to place all the blame on one's predecessor as so many from one side of the isle try to do is Juvenile & as you say narrow minded. I also find it curious that this comes from a group that usually advocates being responsible for ones self. Just my opinion. Hope you are having a nice day. Scott

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Capricorn1

Aug-17-13 10:00 AM

Shaman you are just using tow the party line logic once again and refusing to face the facts regarding Al Qaeda and their rein of attacks in the 90's, and the fact that inaction at that time could have possibly averted 9/11. We were on call and prepared to respond and the Clinton Administration did nothing. Even after the bombing of the USS Cole. Government in general was extremely complacent leading up to 9/11, not just 8 months prior. Intelligence agencies both under Clinton and Bush failed miserably and even when Clinton had hard intelligence he too failed to act. Homeland security was suppose to eliminate that communication breakdown, but politics left the CIA and FBI out from under that umbrella and we are still seeing the same breakdowns as before. Blaming one man for 9/11 is being extremely narrow minded and uninformed.

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MrShaman

Aug-17-13 8:29 AM

Mr. Shaman shall we discuss how Clinton allowed OBL to continue terrorist attacks both before and after the USS Cole incident when he had hard intelligence that showed exactly where Al Qaeda leadership was? Did his inaction result in the continued planning and execution of 9/11?" - Capricorn1

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No...it was BU$HCO, alright.

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In his memoir, "Against All Enemies", Clarke wrote that when he first briefed Rice on Al-Qaeda, in a January 2001 meeting, "her facial expression gave me the impression she had never heard the term before." No longer would Clarke's memos go to the President; instead they had to pass though a chain of command of National Security Advisor Rice and her deputy Stephen Hadley, who BOUNCED EVERY ONE OF THEM BACK."

Richard A. Clarke (Wikipedia)

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Capricorn1

Aug-17-13 7:22 AM

Mr. Shaman shall we discuss how Clinton allowed OBL to continue terrorist attacks both before and after the USS Cole incident when he had hard intelligence that showed exactly where Al Qaeda leadership was? Did his inaction result in the continued planning and execution of 9/11?

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USABorn

Aug-17-13 6:56 AM

"Refusing to admit that al-Qaida and other terrorist organizations are making a comeback amounts to whistling past the graveyard in which they hope to bury us."

COMEBACK????? They haven't gone anywhere. That was just another one of Obama's lies.

Yeah Sham....I guess Bush had his head buried in the same pile of sand as Bill Clinton. It took way more than a year to plan 9/11....getting pilots trained, etc. But Bill Clinton and his administration were not paying any attention, and passed the mess on to Bush. Between Bill Clinton, Shillary Clinton and Obama, it is small wonder we even have a country left.

Speaking of Bill Clinton, looks like he is involved in another financial scandal! BWAHAHAHAHA

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MrShaman

Aug-17-13 5:26 AM

"Remember the few years leading up to the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks on America?

Government officials minimized the threat of terrorism then, too."

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'Tis true...but, Lil' Dumbya could HARDLY be considered one o' our most-intelligent Presidents.

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See:

Bush Ignored 9/11 Warnings

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