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Solving racism

August 18, 2013

After reading the two letters about racism, I had to respond. Racism should never be. It is a learned behavior that can go all ways....

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Scott36

Aug-19-13 9:21 PM

Gavin, Let's hope that the art of serious meaningful conversation can be restored. Bickering over insignificant party preferences only seems to divide us as Americans. IMO, Trying to find common ground, rather than fighting about petty differences could make us a much healthier nation. I would hope that all Americans would choose this over their chosen party. Have a safe & happy night! Scott

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gavinf56

Aug-19-13 8:22 PM

Scott, yep, I knew what you were talking about, and I was talking about my experiences of dealing with those on the left, and on these very boards.

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Scott36

Aug-19-13 8:03 PM

Gavin, This may be true. Those in the "media" are paid to advance a certain point. That is to be expected, What I was referring to was people that I personally conversed with. My experiences(in the VAST majority of cases) have unfortunately been VERY disappointing when trying to have a meaningful discussion with Conservatives. My sincere hope is that will come to an end on this forum.

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gavinf56

Aug-19-13 6:33 PM

"One other observation I have made(I will defend my opinions,& I am sure I am about to) is that it is extremely hard to have a meaningful discussion with people from the Right. They all claim to think for themselves, yet with only occasional slight exceptions, do they deviate from what I hear on the AM dial." - Scott36

Funny, because I watch MSNBC and observe the very exact same thing from the left. I really do miss Chris Hayes in the morning. He would hit all of the talking points that would be repeated throughout the following week. I am not as impressed with Steve Kornacki and since the Zimmerman verdict MHP has kind of lost it.

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Scott36

Aug-19-13 1:43 PM

Capricorn, Excellent response. You are much kinder about the amount responsibility the talking heads have in dividing this country. It is just my opinion, but to ignore Rush, Hannity, Mathews, Schultz, Maddow, etc., is kind of like sticking your head in the sand. Like it or not this is where most people are getting their info.(I am quite sure you are aware of the advantage of knowing your opponent) One other observation I have made(I will defend my opinions,& I am sure I am about to) is that it is extremely hard to have a meaningful discussion with people from the Right. They all claim to think for themselves, yet with only occasional slight exceptions, do they deviate from what I hear on the AM dial. There would seem to be absolutely no grey areas with them. As for me, I have rarely found anything in life to be as simple as a black or white choice. I may rarely be correct, BUT my opinions are my own.

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Capricorn1

Aug-19-13 12:20 PM

Scott, I too listened to the likes of Rush, Hannity, and the talking heads on MSNBC and I was both registered democrat and republican at different times of my life. I got to the point that I realized that those talking heads are probably partly responsible for dividing this nation. I have views that are both left and right. For instance, I'm not against gay marriage but I am against abortion. I believe partisanship has degraded our democracy and that the Democrats and Republicans have become "special interests" unto themselves. As far as where I get my news, I probably visit the Reuter's website the most.

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Scott36

Aug-19-13 11:41 AM

Actually I don't listen to Rush. I think he's a loud mouth and part of the problem. And I don't watch Fox News or any other lame stream media.-Capricorn1 You and I are in total agreement about Rush. I make this statement because I have listened to him literally for decades(Beck, Hannity,Savage,etc.)also. In all seriousness, I truly cannot remember even one conservative who will admit that they do. If you do not listen to them, where did you pick up the "lame stream media" lingo? I also listen to quite a bit of the other side, make up my own mind, & will not run from my opinions. I will not hesitate to admit I am wrong if credible arguments are presented. IMO, you lean pretty hard Right. This is fine, stick to your guns. But if I am not being too forward, just where do you get your news?

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Capricorn1

Aug-19-13 10:53 AM

Once again Shaman, please provide facts that this incident was racially motivated or any different when it was done to Bush. Otherwise it is just your opinion, which you are entitled to, as wrong as it may be.

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Capricorn1

Aug-19-13 10:50 AM

I guess that'd be the downside o' listening to Porky Limbaugh/FAUX Noise. You've gotta pretty-much guess (at the spelling) when doing a search. -Shaman

Actually I don't listen to Rush. I think he's a loud mouth and part of the problem. And I don't watch Fox News or any other lame stream media.

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MrShaman

Aug-19-13 10:49 AM

"Scott conservative media are not the ones crying racism." - Capricorn1

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Please. They're the FIRST-ones to suggest it.

Like I say...you folks aren't that "crafty"...when guessing what the response to your racism might be.

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MrShaman

Aug-19-13 10:46 AM

"That should be Woodstown, Pa" - Capricorn1

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Yeah, you should have copied/pasted the entire-article. It shows-up, often-enough.

I guess that'd be the downside o' listening to Porky Limbaugh/FAUX Noise. You've gotta pretty-much guess (at the spelling) when doing a search.

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Capricorn1

Aug-19-13 10:37 AM

The simple fact that Republicans have made EVERY effort...right from the START...to make Obama look totally-incompetent...is a result o' what?? -Shaman

You think maybe he brought a lot of it on himself?

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MrShaman

Aug-19-13 10:32 AM

"Don't people realize the effects that liberal media, the NAACP, Sharpton, Jackson and even this administration has on race relations when every time we turn around someone is being called racist with absolutely no facts to support it? Just look at these message boards and read message boards on other sites. This is tearing this country apart and setting race relations back decades. They see race in everything that is said that goes against the administration and it has to stop." - Capricorn1

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The simple fact that Republicans have made EVERY effort...right from the START...to make Obama look totally-incompetent...is a result o' what??

You folks aren't as "crafty" as you think you are. You've already "shown your hand".

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See:

Right America Feeling Wronged Pt1 [YouTube]

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Capricorn1

Aug-19-13 10:21 AM

Shaman you see racism in everything and you are part of the problem. Yes, racism exists in this country but it should not be used as a crutch to put all minority's problem under one umbrella. If you want to read a good article regarding this issue may I suggest "Black Self-Sabotage" by Walter E. Williams who is a professor of economics at George Mason University.

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MrShaman

Aug-19-13 10:12 AM

Chuck,"The poor right wing even confronted with overt racism they dismiss it as nothing."

I agree that the bit was over the top, but it really didn't rise to the level of a threat that requires an investigation by the Secret Service or the FBI as demanded by some wackos on the left..." - enigma

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C'mon...c'mon...threat?? No one suggested a threat was involved. MOST people recognized it, for what it was; good ol' all-American White-trash humor.

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MrShaman

Aug-19-13 9:59 AM

Reeder, would you be outraged if that rodeo clown had worn a mask of President Bush?? I bet not. This is a BS issue. You and your liberal cronies don't want any dissent, so when dissent is presented it has to be racism. Scare the opposition into silence to escape charges of racism." - msgjsheets

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You folks aren't fooling anyone.

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MrShaman

Aug-19-13 9:45 AM

"Racism did not start with slavery and enslaving others had been practiced by many civilizations throughout human history." - CMReeder

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Absolutely...faith-based civilizations, to be more-precise...

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See:

Slavery in the Bible

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MrShaman

Aug-19-13 9:37 AM

"Much like the anti-domestic energy crowd, the race-baiters have resorted to lies and distortions to further their unnecessary cause.

We now have terms like "white Hispanic" added to our lexicon from these liars." - eriklatranyi

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Gimme a break!! It's the ignorant White-trash, in this Country, who feel the "need" to point-out the folks who are "part"-White.

You're not fooling anyone.

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MrShaman

Aug-19-13 9:34 AM

"First off, I clearly remember marches in Washington in front of the White House where people were carrying the likeness of Bush hanging from a noose and wearing shirts with a target on Bush's face." - Capricorn1

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I'm sure that had a "little"-more, to do, with the fact he was a CHICKENHAWK who'd sacrificed 4,000+ AMERICAN-TROOPS (in Iraq), to "prove" he wasn't another "wimpy" Bush.

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MrShaman

Aug-19-13 9:14 AM

"Obama and his sycophants have set race relations back 50 years." - VinceKnauff

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So...what...Obama (personally) held-a-GUN to the heads of all o' those T-Baggers...and, MADE them create all o' those racist-signs, that appeared at all their gatherings???

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MrShaman

Aug-19-13 9:08 AM

"There is still a stigma about people of color in some places today. Up until about 30 years ago, there didn't seem to be that stigma in Williamsport. It was peaceful and quiet here."

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LOL!!!!!! Yeah...I've heard older Williamsporters make that claim "We always treated our Blacks well."!!! Whatta load!! The only Blacks who were treated "well", in this town, were the ones who'd stayed OUTTA SIGHT, and OUTTA SOUTHSIDE (where Whites had a tendency to "flee").

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Scott36

Aug-19-13 7:14 AM

wwhickok- your post is brutally correct IMO. I shamefully admit that at times I feel uncomfortable around certain people/groups. I silently berate myself for it if there is not a valid reason for feeling that way. I myself would not liked to be judged in that fashion. That being admitted, I abhor those who try to justify their own prejudices by comparing them to others. "a log in ones own eye" comes to mind.

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wwhickok

Aug-19-13 6:24 AM

Sad truth of it all is, there is no solution to racism. There will always be one person or group within a people that feels slighted and owed. There will always be people who feel everyone else owes them and people who get infuriated because they feel others 'get theirs' because of discriminatory factors.

Why do I say this? Because it's the way it's always been. It's sad, it's petty, it's pathetic even, but it's also true.

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Capricorn1

Aug-19-13 4:32 AM

Reeder nor anyone else responded with facts on how this clown incident is considered racism. Just as they were silent when I requested facts on how the Zimmerman case was considered racism. Yet the word is being thrown around freely by the NAACP and others.

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Scott36

Aug-18-13 9:19 PM

Gavin- Thank you! Have a pleasant evening. Scott

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