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Aggressive Approach

August 18, 2013

Williamsport is well aware of the heroin and gun violence that is plaguing our city. Mayor Campana had a meeting with the Neighborhood Coordinators which was a step in the right direction....

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enigma

Aug-18-13 7:24 AM

"Using Neighborhood Watches will help to tightened these criminals up and now is when we need to help."

WHAT????

Don't trust the D.A. He'll throw you under the bus the first time anything doesn't go just the way he thinks it should.

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eriklatranyi

Aug-18-13 8:09 AM

Enigma:

Don't trust liberals with neighborhood watches or you could end up like a certain "white Hispanic".

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CMReeder

Aug-18-13 9:06 AM

It is not that simple Francine. I do agree with you that users are more targeted than the producers and 'pushers'.

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CMReeder

Aug-18-13 9:08 AM

That's right Eric don't let liberals in at all. You give conservatives a bad name, Fascist. Also bigot!

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Capricorn1

Aug-18-13 10:09 AM

Francine, I don't know if decriminalization is the answer. But I do think this war on drugs has been a miserable failure and not nearly enough resources and attention was given to the disease of addiction. I hear many complain about the rehab facilities being established here locally, but in my opinion I say open up as much as they need to combat the addiction problem for LOCAL residents. As Judge Butts once said, "I can't sentence anyone to sobriety" More needs to be done to treat this wide spread growing epidemic of addiction. It effects all walks of life and destroys so many lives. Reduce the addiction and reduction in crime will follow.

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JerryfromRI

Aug-18-13 1:36 PM

"Don't trust liberals with neighborhood watches..." -Eric

I'm going to start a blog called "Things Eric Said".

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enigma

Aug-18-13 1:53 PM

Anyone who thinks that decriminalization will stop the violence should sign up for the "I've got a bridge to sell you" newsletter. The violence comes from criminals. If suddenly there is a legitimate source of drugs, do you really think these criminals will stop committing crime? NO THEY WILL NOT! They will just move to another crime. This time it might be home invasions and then more innocent people will die. Right now it's mostly drug dealers and users killing each other. While that is bad, it would be even worse it they were killing innocent people in their homes and on the street. Catch them and put them in jail, because you won't get them to go straight by legalizing what they're doing now.

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spike2

Aug-18-13 2:17 PM

Enigma, what are you talking about? the reason most addicts commit crime is to support the addiction. End the addiction and you end the necessity to commit crime. Frankly, you show how little you know about the disease of addiction. Greed is not classified as an illness but addiction is. Those who steal or rob for profit will continue to do so. Dealers will continue to peddle drugs for profit. Dealers and users are not the same. unfortunately many users never end up before Judge Butts. We are losing people to overdoses in record numbers. Everyone knows and no one wants to talk about cold numbers. As for the D.A., he only looks to his next election, one he hopes will be seat on the bench.

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enigma

Aug-18-13 2:47 PM

Spike2, Did you even read what I wrote? Nothing you have said even addresses what I said, but to your point. I know a lot about addiction. I have had close relationships with addicts. I have dealt with drug dealers and I was in law enforcement. I think I have the subject fairly well covered. You are free to disagree with me, but that will only make you wrong. Addicts are not the ones shooting people in Williamsport, it is the dealers. But you seem to show an ignorance of addiction. You seem to think that it is a problem that is easily solved. "End the addiction and you end the necessity to commit crime.", you say. You don't offer any procedure for just ending the addiction. If only it were that easy. Do you think that decriminalizing drugs will end addiction? What exactly is your simple plan for eliminating addiction? Sadly, addiction is so difficult to overcome that in some cases, addicts only stop using when they die. Is that your solution?

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Capricorn1

Aug-18-13 3:36 PM

But laws and police aren't able to reduce addiction. -Francine

You are correct and that's why I say the war on drugs has been an epic failure. Billions and billions of dollars has been spent concentrating on catching the dealers and traffickers and throwing the users in jail. It causes an enormous burden on our criminal justice system and jails. Yet very little money was concentrated on rehabilitation efforts. They were trying to cut off the wrong end of the snake when they should have been concentrating on the demand for these drugs. Drug and alcohol addiction are diseases, no different than any other disease, but we don't focus the medical attention required to treat it. Imagine if this country used a fraction of the resources being used in this war and was able to successfully treat even 25% of those addicted, and allow those people to return to being productive members of society. How much would that impact crime? Addicts should not be society's outcasts.

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Capricorn1

Aug-18-13 3:41 PM

Enigma, to say the disease of addiction is a complex one may be true, but it's no excuse for this country not to put in the resources and effort to attempt to control it. Obviously their attempts to reduce the amount of available drugs is failing miserably. So why not try a new approach and concentrate on treating those that use the drugs? I think that's the approach Judge Butts is trying to tackle and I support her 100%.

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Scott36

Aug-18-13 4:15 PM

. You are free to disagree with me, but that will only make you wrong.-enigma

Attitudes such as this are a MAJOR reason why many solutions are so hard to come by.-IMO

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spike2

Aug-18-13 4:43 PM

Enigma - I absolutely understood what you stated.I never suggested decriminalization.I am against decriminalization in every instance except marijuana. You "have had" dealings with drug dealers which I will assume comes from your former employ in law enforcement. You do understand law enforcement has to do with enforcing laws not rehabilitation. We need to continue to use licensed rehabilitation and detox centers, meth a done for her o in when rehab is unsuccessful, we need to encourage individuals and families to seek help rather than hide like lepers. We need to remember every dead child and/or adult is someone's child, brother, sister, wife, husband or friend. We need law enforcement to arrest dealers and distributors. We need to drop the shame and bring these people out of the shadows. If you believe real addicts enjoy addiction, you are a fool.

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LaughIn

Aug-18-13 4:52 PM

As I see it, Judge Butts and the Community Crime Watch Groups mean business. The current (and past) Mayor and DA have been unsuccessful in their missions and is anyone really surprised? Action speaks louder than campaign speeches and empty promises. I 100% back these Crime Watchers and Judge Butts for their willingness to act, because, apparently they care about what is happening right in front of their faces. Minimize dealers and help the users

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Ritty77

Aug-18-13 6:09 PM

Next to death, nothing stops an addict from using better and quicker than a jail cell.

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DavidBross

Aug-18-13 6:40 PM

I have a coffee cup that says, "I could agree with you, but then we would both be wrong." It's funny on a cup, not so much when it's meant to be part of a serious discussion.

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spike2

Aug-18-13 7:02 PM

Ritty - you are talking about a band-aid. Prison does not stop addiction. Does prison stop any other medically recognized disease? Laugh In nailed it.

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Ritty77

Aug-18-13 7:39 PM

How should we handle those who sell drugs to support their own drug use? There are many. How do we handle those who rob convenience stores to support their drug habits? After all, they are victims of a disease and they just need "treatment" right?

Prison is an excellent first step for drug users.

Ass-parked, over-paid "therapists" with Cracker Jack-equivalent degrees (MSW, LSW-ACSW) who coddle the user and place the blame anywhere but on the addict himself begets that 3% success rate that keeps the clients and the insurance money flowing in.

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spike2

Aug-18-13 10:25 PM

Ritty, you find an MSW to be a "cracker jack" degree? No one is suggesting that armed robberies should go unpunished, neither are sales. I doubt if you have ever worked in a prison or entered one for any reason but it is not a good first step. it is no step. It is a connection to even worse people. Jail hasn't ever worked and never will for an addict. What jail does is remove an inconvenient truth from the world as you see it.

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LaughIn

Aug-18-13 11:06 PM

You both have valid points. Prisons ARE NOT REHABS and NEVER will be, EVER. However, to remove the user (who will DIE if they aren't removed from their current environment) and isolate them within a system of TEMPORARY withdrawal and then turned over to MANDATORY clinics for PROFESSIONAL help, may work. Prison guards are only rule enforcers within the walls of a jail, they are not drug counselors with college degrees.

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Capricorn1

Aug-19-13 4:23 AM

Ritty, 98% of drug and alcohol abusers in prison return to the abuse once they are released. However, those that are already in the criminal justice system would be my first priority regarding mandatory impatient treatment as part of their sentence or terms of parole.

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