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Drug lab controversy

August 20, 2013

Wow! Can you believe it? The elected officials of Old Lycoming Township did not know anything about a drug lab coming to Old Lycoming Township....

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spike2

Aug-21-13 5:56 PM

Shaman - no, they can't live for years. organic damage occurs over time. H is not pure and ultimately the cut will destroy the liver.

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mikekerstetter

Aug-21-13 5:51 PM

Really?!! That's how inconspicuous it is.

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spike2

Aug-21-13 3:48 PM

mikekerstteter - open for over 3 years

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MrShaman

Aug-21-13 12:32 PM

"From Senator Kim Ward:"A state senator says the publicly funded state methadone program squanders money in an era of tight budgets by having no incentive for patients to get off the drug and no requirement that they use the clinic closest to their home. "The minimum time to be on methadone is a year, but there's no maximum," said Sen. Kim Ward." - Billtown101

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Yeah...THAT'S what's needed...another clueless White-Winger!!!!

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See:

New Law Limiting Treatment Choices Unfairly Attacks Methadone Patients

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MrShaman

Aug-21-13 12:22 PM

MrShaman - 12:53 PM

"Doesn't "work"?????? Methadone isn't INTENDED as a cure...only a legal way to help addicts get-by...until they're ready to "kick"."

From Drugs****

Methadone is a opioid pain reliever, similar to morphine. An opioid is sometimes called a narcotic. It also reduces withdrawal symptoms in people addicted to ****** or other narcotic drugs without causing the "high" associated with the drug addiction.

Methadone is used as a pain reliever and as part of drug addiction detoxification and maintenance programs." - USABorn

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You DO recognize you've (merely) restated/verified what I said, right??

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MrShaman

Aug-21-13 12:17 PM

MrShaman - 9:50 AM

"Addiction is ALSO a SYMPTOM...of deeper emotional-problems. People don't "self-medicate", like that, for no good reason."

"If your child is DRIVEN to self-medicate, you need to find-out WHY...and, BLAMING THE DRUGS AIN'T GONNA GET THE JOB DONE!!!!"

Addiction is a psychological dependence, whether it is smoking or drugs. Teenagers are not "self-medicating" when they use drugs, they are using drugs, i.e., ******, to improve their emotional state, and to give them a sense of euphoria." - USABorn

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You're QUITE-obviously too-young & inexperienced to recognize you've (simply) repeated what I said.

If things are THAT BAD, at home, the people WE'RE TALKING-ABOUT, are gonna PURSUE improving "their emotional state", with "a sense of euphoria".

It's called SELF-MEDICATION!!!

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MrShaman

Aug-21-13 12:07 PM

Awww, jeez......

William S. Burroughs - H e r o i n Helper

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RealityStudio » William Burroughs and the History of H e r o i n

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Try growing-up, S-G.

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MrShaman

Aug-21-13 12:05 PM

"There is a reason you don't see a lot of old H addicts. They don't live that long..." - sideliner

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...Primarily due to quality-control. If you've got the buck$ to afford consistent/top-shelf quality..."Junkies who have a means to support themselves can life long and healthy lives."

See:

William S. Burroughs - ****** Helper

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William S. Burroughs "kept a habit" for 37 years...'cause, much like Keith Richards, he could AFFORD consistent-quality.

See:

RealityStudio » William Burroughs and the History of ******

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mikekerstetter

Aug-21-13 11:34 AM

spike2-"Apparently it doesn't cause any additional crime in the area. (?)"

I'm assuming it's a relatively new location for them. It's located in the same building as Ficks Hardware. Just a little entrance with blinds covering the windows and nothing to draw attention to it or suggest what it is. I've been to that hardware store a few times since it reopened and I just happened to notice the entrance the last time I was there and wondered what it was. I certainly haven't heard of any adverse goings on there.

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MrShaman

Aug-21-13 11:33 AM

Sham," Methadone isn't INTENDED as a cure."

If it were not intended as a 'cure', it would be illegal." - enigma

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Oh, really???? So...how many terminal-folks has m o r p h i n e "cured"?????

You need to put a "little"-more effort into recognizing the difference between assumptions (you've personally "developed")...and, FACTS.

You're not (exactly) "batting" 1.000, today.

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MrShaman

Aug-21-13 11:27 AM

Sham, A few things have changed since the 80's, not to mention that your comparison is totally invalid. Her0in is not coke and there is no such thing as pharmaceutical grade of either one anymore." - enigma

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SOMEtimes, you actually sound like you know what you're talking-about!

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See:

c o c a i n e hydrochloride - topical

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spike2

Aug-21-13 7:38 AM

mikekerstteter - no problem at all. way to much work to post a link on here. Apparently it doesn't cause any additional crime in the area. (?) Thanks for googling and reading. Many here just look at a name and disagree without even reading. This becomes frustrating, doesn't it?

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mikekerstetter

Aug-21-13 4:27 AM

Spike, I wasn't implying that I didn't believe you. I was just surprised that I hadn't heard of it going in. Usually when something like that goes in there is a big stink about it. You know, NIMBY. I guess it's because of where it went in, in a mostly commercial area just off of I-180.

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mikekerstetter

Aug-21-13 3:42 AM

Spike, thanks. I googled it and I do remember seeing that now. I didn't know what it was. It's not actually in Watsontown, but in Delaware Twp. in the same building as Ficks Hardware.

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Scott36

Aug-20-13 10:28 PM

For whatever it is worth, there were some very thoughtful, and for me informational posts here today. For those of you who are dealing with the pain of seeing someone you care for going through this terrible addiction, or helping someone with addiction, my heart sincerely goes out to you, and you will be in my prayers. God Bless you, & the ones you care for. Have a safe & happy night! Scott

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spike2

Aug-20-13 7:52 PM

maybe this will help. you can also read papers by all contributors by using google scholar for your search. This is not the ordinary google we all use. ****: //****cdc.gov /idu/facts/methadonefin. pdf

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spike2

Aug-20-13 7:35 PM

Billtown - find me one instance in our area. STEP is the only transport service as you know. Find me one instance of one person to any drug and alcohol treatment or program. Why don't you simply call the clinic rather than "Ward" says. Bottom line is you don't give a flying crap about what is happening here. Maybe you could volunteer in the morgue and put faces on the casualties. Call our local Dept of Welfare - see if they co-ordinate transports.I know Billtown, you are always part of hide a problem and criticize any solution but yours. Read the preceding posts. We aren't having it anymore. We KNOW lycoming county is plagued with a huge her oin problem. We vote, we pay taxes and we want the addicts treated. BTW, why don't you compare the costs to incarceration. Crunch that number!

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spike2

Aug-20-13 7:27 PM

Addiction DSM V latest edition ****:/ /www .ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/ pubmed/21477226

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Billtown101

Aug-20-13 7:02 PM

@Jamie: Unfortunately dear poster, you widely accepted idea of addiction being a disease is about 40 years old and out of date to modern psychology. Addiction (drugs or otherwise) are no longer thought of as a medical illness, like diabetes or Alzheimer's. Addiction has been found to have very little in common with diseases. It is a group of behaviors, NOT an illness on its' own. You are correct, that for YEARS the disease concept was taught in addiction training program and told to patients in treatment programs... Sorry.

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JamieFausnaught

Aug-20-13 6:51 PM

Lol drugs abuse is a desease and Oscar Meyer would be proud of all the baloney on these comments.

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Billtown101

Aug-20-13 6:49 PM

...Ward's criticism targeted the Welfare department and the Medical Assistance Transportation Program the agency administers. The program funds transportation for more than 10,000 people who receive methadone through public assistance. It includes mileage reimbursements to methadone users for driving their vehicles to clinics or for using a bus or taxi. Ward said some of the money is wasted because clients are not required to go to the clinic closest to their homes."If they want to go somewhere else, we pay for that at a rate of about $3 a mile," the senator said."...""The cost is big," Ward said. "Each county coordinates its transportation service, including private taxis, buses and transportation companies. The costs account for a sizeable percentage of county transportation budgets." - Misinformation??? RIGHT ON Spike!

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Billtown101

Aug-20-13 6:46 PM

From Senator Kim Ward:"A state senator says the publicly funded state methadone program squanders money in an era of tight budgets by having no incentive for patients to get off the drug and no requirement that they use the clinic closest to their home. "The minimum time to be on methadone is a year, but there's no maximum," said Sen. Kim Ward. "That's not a help to the patient, the patient's family or taxpayers." In a letter to Acting Secretary Harriet Dichter Tuesday, Ward called on the state Department of Welfare to commit to funding those methadone clinics that have a formally approved recovery program with a limit on the time the state will pay for treatments. "The Commonwealth should only pay for recovery, not maintenance," Ward wrote. "With state funding at such a critical juncture, it is imperative that we utilize the taxpayers' money wisely;...

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spike2

Aug-20-13 6:33 PM

Billtown - why do you just pass misinformation to have something to say. The bus route goes there and I don't think the free pass folks will be going. If you know how to obtain a free pass, please enlighten the rest of us.

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Billtown101

Aug-20-13 6:25 PM

<Garben78 Lord knows it wouldn't do any good to locate it where the buses don't run now would it> Good Point, Garben78. RVT's route and schedule is a joke, in a city this size. Those who rely on bus to get to work are "skrude" and taxi for nights, weekend, and holidays will eat a paycheck! BUT if your one of the 'living dead' = get a free bus pass and a wake-call that your dose is ready.

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spike2

Aug-20-13 4:35 PM

here you go mikekerstetter - Congratulations to the Habit OPCO Watsontown, Pennsylvania clinic, one of our suboxone and methadone treatment clinics, which has been fully accredited by CARF International for 3 years, the highest level of accreditation granted. you can google for more info.

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