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Production vs. retail

August 24, 2013

For decades our region's experience with the energy industry has been at the retail level....

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BornHere

Aug-28-13 9:02 PM

FACT: After many tens of thousands of hydraulically fractured wells, there is not one case of water supply being permanently contaminated.

Not One.

Wrong again erik there is one that you and I both know about and so does the EPA.

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CMReeder

Aug-25-13 10:00 PM

That does sound very interesting unfortunately I do not have vacation time left for the year.

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BornHere

Aug-25-13 5:02 PM

We'll be heading back on Sept. 12th so anytime. You know Mr. Reeder I have a friend who owns a seafood restaurant and also does nature photography for a calender company and she is single think about it, this could be interesting!

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CMReeder

Aug-25-13 2:51 PM

Well thank you for the offer. I don't do much swimming at my age. Landscape and nature photography would be my activity. I love to cook and eat so I can be very helpful in a kitchen.

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BornHere

Aug-25-13 1:02 PM

Mr. Reeder, next time you have a weeks vacation and you need to get away you are more than welcome to stay with us at our home in St. Augustine, just one thing bring your swimming trunks!

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spike2

Aug-25-13 9:40 AM

Erik - many of us know that a condition of payment for damages has a confidentiality clause in the settlement. Gas damages are much like med-mal. The settlement has a non-disclosure attachment. I find it interesting that you want to change everything here. You want your opinion to control everything and anything. Is this because of Hungary?

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CMReeder

Aug-25-13 8:15 AM

"What Mr. Reeder fails to recognize is that we buy things because we also produce something and get paid for it.

That is why this nation is so prosperous.

But, I would not expect a liberal to understand that and lament the good life of struggling to survive in the harsh winters and brutal summers."

Troll!

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CMReeder

Aug-25-13 8:14 AM

Sounds great Born and also enjoyable.

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BornHere

Aug-25-13 7:35 AM

My grandchildren wanted me to tell you that it is a battery operated Jeep parked next to their tepee not a golf cart!

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ArtFold

Aug-24-13 8:10 PM

Thank you for your eloquent answer to my question, Mr. Bross. I appreciate that.

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ArtFold

Aug-24-13 8:05 PM

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eriklatranyi

Aug-24-13 4:54 PM

What Mr. Reeder fails to recognize is that we buy things because we also produce something and get paid for it.

That is why this nation is so prosperous.

But, I would not expect a liberal to understand that and lament the good life of struggling to survive in the harsh winters and brutal summers.

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DavidBross

Aug-24-13 2:44 PM

Mike, your post got me thinking about my use of the word rural to contrast with areas that have industrial and production activities. A suburban neighborhood has a lot in common with our area. And, as was the case with the logging era and now the shale gas, we are indeed a much more industrial area than 5 years ago. So, I think the contrast should be between areas that have and those that don't have significant amount of industrial/production activity.

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BornHere

Aug-24-13 2:22 PM

Bobbie2, for your information my husband and I live in a Passive Solar home, which means we are OFF THE GRID and we have well water, so we pay NO utilities what so ever, and we own a electric car that we charge in our garage.

But since you like talking about tepees so much we have a play house for the grand kids in the backyard that is a tepee and we also have a tree hut for them to play in. You have a nice day!!!

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CMReeder

Aug-24-13 1:14 PM

Sorry but my doing exactly as what you did Mike is considered by others here as trolling behavior. You attacked me with your post. Twice.

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mikekerstetter

Aug-24-13 11:42 AM

CMReeder-"Troll!"

TROLL:"One who purposely and deliberately starts an argument in a manner which attacks others on a forum without in any way listening to the arguments proposed by his or her peers. He will spark of such an argument via the use of ad hominem attacks with no substance or relevance to back them up."

I didn't name call or attack you. I just made an observation and backed it up with fact. That hardly fits the definition of 'troll'.

Now, your comment with only "Troll!" fits the definition of troll to a 'T'.

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CMReeder

Aug-24-13 11:27 AM

Thanks Born!

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CMReeder

Aug-24-13 11:26 AM

"Gotta laugh. This from the same person who says there is no voter fraud committed even though no one is checking to see if the person voting is actually the person who is supposed to be voting, LOL. Gotta love that thinking."

Troll!

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mikekerstetter

Aug-24-13 11:15 AM

CMReeder-"There is no way to tell if the gas companies are polluting our drinking water...."

Gotta laugh. This from the same person who says there is no voter fraud committed even though no one is checking to see if the person voting is actually the person who is supposed to be voting, LOL. Gotta love that thinking.

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BornHere

Aug-24-13 10:48 AM

Mr. Reeder, I like your 8:25 am comment. Those everyday chores that you speak of are still real to me, so I must be considered part of the past generation, I was raised to live from the land.

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mikekerstetter

Aug-24-13 10:48 AM

DavidBross-""People live in areas like these to get away from it all. When we consume products they are usually made in industrial areas." Rick424, this was the thought that I had in the back of my mind when I wrote the letter. I think our rural lifestyle is subsidized by the more industrial areas of the country."

I don't know about you two, but I've never seen trees grown for harvest in an industrial area. You have to go where the natural resource is to harvest it. Then you have to have a way to transport it from where it was harvested to where it is processed or consumed.

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mikekerstetter

Aug-24-13 10:43 AM

Rick, I guess it depends on your perspective.

Years ago when I started hunting we could hunt anywhere around our cabin. Then the land slowly was sold off in lots and cabins built and now it is all posted. We had spring water piped into our cabin that was gravity fed from the hill behind us rather than a well. When that lot was sold they shut off our water supply even though it was there for 50 years.

For the people who came in a bought up the land the progress was great. For us who were there for years, it wasn't so pleasant. But the bottom line is that we can't dictate what people do with the land they own.

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DavidBross

Aug-24-13 10:38 AM

"People live in areas like these to get away from it all. When we consume products they are usually made in industrial areas." Rick424, this was the thought that I had in the back of my mind when I wrote the letter. I think our rural lifestyle is subsidized by the more industrial areas of the country.

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rick424

Aug-24-13 9:54 AM

Interesting comment Mike, is that in a good way or a bad way? Another thing you have a cabin, you can go home after your finished. There are people that have to deal with this day in and day out. People live in areas like these to get away from it all. When we consume products they are usually made in industrial areas. The natural gas industry sets up camp in quiet neighborhoods. Big difference there Mr. LTE.

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enigma

Aug-24-13 9:25 AM

David, Production has to happen before consumption. The reason that the economy in this area is so poor is that we don't procuce enough to have a good economy. Production brings money into an area, while consumption sends money out of an area. That's why I believe that the mayor's attempt to improve the economy by bringing Kohl's to the area was misguided. If you bring in enough production, the retail will bring itself, and without tax incentives. The money brought in by production will be incentive enough.

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