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Production vs. retail

August 24, 2013

For decades our region's experience with the energy industry has been at the retail level....

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fromtheport

Aug-24-13 1:57 AM

Production may not be pretty but at least it provides jobs and a strong economy!

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ArtFold

Aug-24-13 2:23 AM

I'd probably react with; "YEEHAW! We're rolling in the money now so now we can do things, create things, build things and help other people improve their lot in life, too!" Yeah, I think that's probably how I'd react. Why, how would you react Mr. Bross?

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Premier

Aug-24-13 5:30 AM

People want clean energy but no one wants windmills by their home. Anti-fossil fuel people chant their insanities while consuming this energy by driving cars, heating their homes, using electricity or buying any product on a store shelf. Environmentalist are against logging but they do not live in homes made of hemp.

All forms of natural resources has to come from someone's back yard.

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MrShaman

Aug-24-13 6:01 AM

"All this makes me wonder how we would react if we had to experience the production side of all the items we use or consume?" - David Bross

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Actually, most Americans ARE involved with the production side!!!

With the "need", too-many companies have, to beat the competition to the marketplace, there isn't NEARLY the testing, done (on new products), there used-to-be. It drives engineers NUTZ, knowing there are still "wrinkles" that need to be "ironed-out", but...rather than "quality" (like all the ads say)...schedule/PRODUCTION is Priority One, with present-day "professional"-managers. Quality/perfection (in products) has a tendency to "whittle-down" bonu$e$.

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MrShaman

Aug-24-13 6:08 AM

"All this makes me wonder how we would react if we had to experience the production side of all the items we use or consume?" None of us wants to go to a slaughter house and see our steaks made, but that doesn't have the real potential of making our environment unlivable." - Francine

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If we continue cutting federal-funding for meat-INSPECTORS...our environment will be the last-thing most people worry-about.

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eriklatranyi

Aug-24-13 6:11 AM

Francine:

You make the claim that hydraulic fracturing, as it is currently carried out, is a real threat to our drinking water supply.

You make this statement as if it is fact.

Yet you have ZERO facts on your side.

You use fear and hysteria to drive your argument, but cannot back it up with data or examples.

FACT: After many tens of thousands of hydraulically fractured wells, there is not one case of a water supply being permanently contaminated.

Not one.

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MrShaman

Aug-24-13 6:23 AM

"Environmentalist are against logging but they do not live in homes made of hemp." - Premier

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...Just the way the Hearsts & DuPonts had intended.

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MrShaman

Aug-24-13 6:26 AM

Francine:

You make the claim that hydraulic fracturing, as it is currently carried out, is a real threat to our drinking water supply.

You make this statement as if it is fact.

Yet you have ZERO facts on your side.

You use fear and hysteria to drive your argument, but cannot back it up with data or examples." - eriklatranyi

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Gee...you T-Baggers are (finally) "GETTING IT"??!!!

Congratulations!!

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mikekerstetter

Aug-24-13 7:10 AM

Yeah, it's on par with the people who are against hunting but still eat meat. "Go get your meat at the grocery store where no animals are harmed". >:/

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mikekerstetter

Aug-24-13 7:14 AM

I will say one thing..... we have a cabin in Sullivan County. I took a drive up with my son recently and I was shocked at how the landscape had changed so close to our camp due to pipelines being put in. It's the price we pay for our energy I suppose.

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Ritty77

Aug-24-13 7:36 AM

Mike, what are your expectations of the condition and appearance of the area after the installation is complete? Do you expect that the landscape will be restored and returned to its previous condition or will there be unavoidable permanent reminders of the pipeline?

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DavidBross

Aug-24-13 7:42 AM

Artfold, I think the gas boom in our area is a mixed blessing. And I certainly enjoy the benefits of the energy produced. To some of the other posters, I used the gas industry as an example because it is front and center in the minds of many people in our region. Another example is the commercial hog farm in the Nippenose Valley area. Many of us eat pork, very few of us would want that farm near where we live. Also, look at how people reacted when a waste incinerator was proposed in the Allenwood area. I also doubt many people would want a steel mill near them. I'm talking about a mill that creates steel from raw materials, not one like Jersey Shore Steel that repurposes steel that has already been made. Fromtheport, you are certainly correct. Premier, you make a very good point.

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mikekerstetter

Aug-24-13 7:52 AM

Ritty, I don't know. TBH I almost missed the turn onto the dirt road that leads past our cabin because it looks so different. The landmarks I used for 40 years are gone. Trees missing, small hills flattened... I guess in time it will go back to a more natural state, but it will never be the same again.

But, in the same sense, my long deceased Father and Uncles who built our cabin would roll over in their grave if they knew there was HD TV and high speed internet and telephone at the cabin. So many things have changed up there since spending so much time there as a kid and young adult.

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CMReeder

Aug-24-13 8:09 AM

"All this makes me wonder how we would react if we had to experience the production side of all the items we use or consume?"

History can help provide an answer to that. The working class usually will give voice to conditions first. Residents will notice a prevailing assault to the senses. Illnesses that were not common to the area become common. Investigations, hearings and reports will begin. Debates over benefits versus damage will begin. Laws will be enacted or not. Ingenuity will arise and a different course or method will evolve. If all else fails move the production out of sight of those it would offend just leaving the retail.

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eriklatranyi

Aug-24-13 8:09 AM

Francine:

Yes, there are thousands of contaminated wells all covered up by the gas industry, government, regulators, the media, etc.

We are all working together to poison the land and know that nobody will say a peep about it.

Keep spreading the conspiracy theories, Francine. They really help your argument.

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CMReeder

Aug-24-13 8:25 AM

Many people no longer make products to use for themselves. We consume. We want an 'easier' life. Flip a switch and you have energy to heat, light, power your surroundings. Pay a small fee to pump fuel into a vehicle that will transport you to purchase food already grown, picked, cleaned, slaughter and packaged in proportions enough just for your immediate consumption. Labor free on your part. Then transport yourself to another area and get all the apparel and shoes and utensils and equipment, furnishings that you require for your comfort. You don't even have to make your own weapons for protection. More labor free products for you.

What used to be everyday chores for people of a past generation is now considered an 'art' today. We even refer to it as 'artisnal' crafted product and pay more for it.

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MrShaman

Aug-24-13 8:25 AM

Ritty, I don't know. TBH I almost missed the turn onto the dirt road that leads past our cabin because it looks so different. The landmarks I used for 40 years are gone. Trees missing, small hills flattened... I guess in time it will go back to a more natural state, but it will never be the same again." - mikekerstetter

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Everything is temporary.

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CMReeder

Aug-24-13 8:53 AM

There is no way to tell if the gas companies are polluting our drinking water, they will not reveal what is the chemical composition they use to fracturer the rock. They can conveniently blame it on natural occurance.

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enigma

Aug-24-13 9:25 AM

David, Production has to happen before consumption. The reason that the economy in this area is so poor is that we don't procuce enough to have a good economy. Production brings money into an area, while consumption sends money out of an area. That's why I believe that the mayor's attempt to improve the economy by bringing Kohl's to the area was misguided. If you bring in enough production, the retail will bring itself, and without tax incentives. The money brought in by production will be incentive enough.

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rick424

Aug-24-13 9:54 AM

Interesting comment Mike, is that in a good way or a bad way? Another thing you have a cabin, you can go home after your finished. There are people that have to deal with this day in and day out. People live in areas like these to get away from it all. When we consume products they are usually made in industrial areas. The natural gas industry sets up camp in quiet neighborhoods. Big difference there Mr. LTE.

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DavidBross

Aug-24-13 10:38 AM

"People live in areas like these to get away from it all. When we consume products they are usually made in industrial areas." Rick424, this was the thought that I had in the back of my mind when I wrote the letter. I think our rural lifestyle is subsidized by the more industrial areas of the country.

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mikekerstetter

Aug-24-13 10:43 AM

Rick, I guess it depends on your perspective.

Years ago when I started hunting we could hunt anywhere around our cabin. Then the land slowly was sold off in lots and cabins built and now it is all posted. We had spring water piped into our cabin that was gravity fed from the hill behind us rather than a well. When that lot was sold they shut off our water supply even though it was there for 50 years.

For the people who came in a bought up the land the progress was great. For us who were there for years, it wasn't so pleasant. But the bottom line is that we can't dictate what people do with the land they own.

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mikekerstetter

Aug-24-13 10:48 AM

DavidBross-""People live in areas like these to get away from it all. When we consume products they are usually made in industrial areas." Rick424, this was the thought that I had in the back of my mind when I wrote the letter. I think our rural lifestyle is subsidized by the more industrial areas of the country."

I don't know about you two, but I've never seen trees grown for harvest in an industrial area. You have to go where the natural resource is to harvest it. Then you have to have a way to transport it from where it was harvested to where it is processed or consumed.

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BornHere

Aug-24-13 10:48 AM

Mr. Reeder, I like your 8:25 am comment. Those everyday chores that you speak of are still real to me, so I must be considered part of the past generation, I was raised to live from the land.

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mikekerstetter

Aug-24-13 11:15 AM

CMReeder-"There is no way to tell if the gas companies are polluting our drinking water...."

Gotta laugh. This from the same person who says there is no voter fraud committed even though no one is checking to see if the person voting is actually the person who is supposed to be voting, LOL. Gotta love that thinking.

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