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Beyond the surface

August 24, 2013

Kudos to Richard Sahn (August 11) for probing beyond the surface to the root causes of the Trayvon Martin tragedy: institutionalized racism, discrimination, economic and social inequalities....

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DavidBross

Aug-25-13 12:15 AM

I agree with your post underwood. I think that one of the consequences of the changing racial and ethnic make up the the country's population will be that it will be harder and harder to blame the establishment for past injustices since more people in positions of power will say that their racial or ethnic group wasn't part of the WASP community that did perpetrate the injustices.

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cheyenne

Aug-24-13 5:10 PM

Chuck, the only information I have found gives only the rejected party's version of the events. I would like to know what witnesses have to say about it. Other patrons, restaurant employees, etc. I'm not saying it's impossible, but it seems unlikely that in this day and age, a restaurant would even consider acting in this manner. Reject 25 customers to make 1 happy? Risk lawsuits, protests, and nationwide boycotts? What business would do that without just cause? It just doesn't make sense.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Aug-24-13 5:02 PM

Cont>>

He is a permanent victim of white aggression. I am sick of the excuses.

BTW, I picked up a book the other day and stated to read it this morning when I was getting a couple of new tires mounted. It is called "Liberating Black Theology" by Anthony B. Bradley. I am interested in seeing what all he has to say.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Aug-24-13 5:01 PM

cont>>>

organized black social movements. His doctoral research was conducted in Sandusky, Illinois, a rural black community, and his dissertation was completed in 1984 at Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois.

His teachings just perpetuate that victimology concept which blame everything on racism; the oppressive white race. He sounds like Jeremiah Wright, James Cone, Jesse Jackson Jr., or Al Sharpton.

My question for you is at what point in time is victimology behind us? When will it no longer be an excuse? When will people stop living in the past? When will they stop promoting separation?

Even our president throws out the concept of being a victim of the white guy; blame it on GWB, blame it on Dick Cheney, blame it on Karl Rove, blame it on Snowden, blame it on Congress, blame it on the Republicans, blame it on conservatives, blame it on the Tea Party. He is the president on the greatest nation on the earth and he wants to blame things on others. He is a pe

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ToTEXASfromPA

Aug-24-13 5:00 PM

CMReeder did you check out Helan Enoch Page/Enoch Helan Page a little more. What critically acclaimed books has he authored? Here is some background.

Originary Roots Enoch H. Page is from St. Louis, Missouri. His mother was born in the same town. His father, son of a Mississippi sharecropper, migrated to St. Louis from Louise, Mississippi to flee the brunt of racial oppression. Eldest of six siblings, he was the first member of his extended family to be college-educated.

Educational Aspiration Enoch was blessed to attend predominantly black primary and secondary schools until he won a scholarship to Washington University, a predominantly white and private institution in St. Louis. His matriculation there began on the heels of a 'sit-in' demonstration undertaken by black students who mounted campus protests to demand racially equitable student admissions. Hence, his access to higher education is a product of open admissions policies designed in response to a century of organiz

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JohnZook

Aug-24-13 4:40 PM

You have to be taught to hate another race or ethnic group.

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CMReeder

Aug-24-13 3:50 PM

Cheyenne it does not make it any less signifcant.

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cheyenne

Aug-24-13 3:06 PM

Chuck, regarding the Wild Wing incident, if the restaurant did, indeed , refuse these people service solely on their race, then yes, that is deplorable. However, the fact that this story is just now reaching the public eye a month after the fact, gives the impression that there is more to it than is currently being revealed.

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Ritty77

Aug-24-13 2:49 PM

Faulty generalization From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A fallacy of defective induction reaches a conclusion from weak premises. Unlike fallacies of relevance, in fallacies of defective induction, the premises are related to the conclusions yet only weakly buttress the conclusions. A faulty generalization is thus produced. This inductive fallacy is any of several errors of inductive inference.

Logic: The proportion Q of the sample has attribute A. Therefore, the proportion Q of the population has attribute A. Such a generalization proceeds from a premise about a sample to a conclusion about the population.

Faulty generalization is a mode of thinking that takes knowledge from one group's or person's experiences and incorrectly extends it to another.

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CMReeder

Aug-24-13 2:16 PM

From Charleston, SC; 25 African-American customers at Wild Wing restuarant were asked to leave after a white customer felt threaten by their presence.

What great advances we have made in race relations!

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CMReeder

Aug-24-13 12:05 PM

I apologize ahead of time if any that information was too liberal for you.

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CMReeder

Aug-24-13 12:04 PM

"Princple V. Collectively, the 'white' and/or 'whitened' members of this racially privileged global population tend to bolster their shared political intent to impose patterns of restricted resource access on racially subordinant populations, and aim to preserve their presumably non-negotiable right to prescribe, and even dictate, lessor resource access rights for certain upwardly mobile members of the 'non-white' population whose internalized racism, reliable complicity, and carefully scrutinized willingness to cooperate with racial dominates is always required and rewarded."

Dr. Helan Enoch Page Associate Professor, Anthropology Department University of Massachusetts-Amherst

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CMReeder

Aug-24-13 12:02 PM

"Principle IV. As a generative principle of racism, "ideological whiteness" refers to a dual behavioral process entailing enactments of identify formation and resource access legitimation, both of which were practices once overtly recognized as aspects of "white supremacy," but which now may be more subtly and covertly reproduced as an observable and routine set of implicitly prescriptive, but explicitly disavowed white supremacist beliefs and practices to which all who identify as 'white' (or who behave as 'whitened') are expected to adhere--especially white males--if they wish to maintain their own racial standing as members of these two privileged 'white' groups and assert their negotiable right to privileged resource access."

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CMReeder

Aug-24-13 12:00 PM

"Principle III. The conceptual content of this historic and politically-charged discursive field is sustained by racial agents who in many ways articulate and justify the suppression of "ideological blackness" (and every form of non-whiteness this may entail) which may be accomplished by many formal and informal means of institutional domination, routinized interpersonal interactions, cultural imperialism, or by any other racialized means of information control."

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CMReeder

Aug-24-13 11:58 AM

"Principle II. The aim of this peculiar post-1492 stratification process has been to aggregate an upwardly mobile and putatively 'white' racial group that is stratified internally and that strives to validate its own ascendancy using a shifting range of 'white' cultural practices which are defined as 'white' not on any presumed biological basis, but on the basis of "ideological whiteness"--a field of racial discourse and representation."

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CMReeder

Aug-24-13 11:56 AM

From The Center of the Study of White American Culture;

Racism is a global system of material and symbolic resource distribution management more comprehensively defined, in accordance with each of the following principles: Principle I. Racism is an ideological, structural and historic stratification process by which the population of European descent, through its individual and institutional distress patterns, intentionally has been able to sustain, to its own best advantage, the dynamic mechanics of upward or downward mobility (of fluid status assignment) to the general disadvantage of the population designated as non-white (on a global scale), using skin color, gender, class, ethnicity or nonwestern nationality as the main indexical criteria used for enforcing differential resource allocation decisions that contribute to decisive changes in relative racial standing in ways most favoring the populations designated as 'white.'

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CMReeder

Aug-24-13 11:53 AM

From David T. Wellman, sociologist;

"The essential feature of racism is not hostility or misperception, but rather the defense of a system from which advantage is derived on the basis of race. The manner in which the defense is articulated - either with hostility or subtlety - is not nearly as important as the fact that it insures the continuation of a privileged relationship. Thus it is necessary to broaden the definition of racism beyond prejudice to include sentiments that in their consequence, if not in their intent, support the racial status quo."

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CMReeder

Aug-24-13 11:52 AM

Actually you told me to quit going to extreme liberal web sites. So that was how you answer my question.

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mikekerstetter

Aug-24-13 11:47 AM

Capricorn1,

Again, Welfare IS NOT a program for the Black community only. It provides the same benefits whether you're white, black, blue or green. Yes, I agree that out of wedlock birth is a severe problem in the black community. But Welfare is not a Racist system.

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Capricorn1

Aug-24-13 11:46 AM

Reeder read my other posts. I did in fact answer your question. And I never stated all minorities were poor. Have a nice day.

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CMReeder

Aug-24-13 11:42 AM

You did not answer the question.

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Capricorn1

Aug-24-13 11:33 AM

Mike, read my first post and look at the alarming number of fatherless homes in the black communities and the fact that 85% of those children live in poverty and require government assistance. By allowing those people to receive that assistance long term, they are not taking the steps to address the real issues. I agree that welfare is used by those of all races, however, imo government assistance programs are structured in a way to keep people down and poor. Is that not the left's definition of institutionalized racism?

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mikekerstetter

Aug-24-13 11:25 AM

Capricorn1-"The biggest example of institutionalized racism is the government practice of long term welfare dependency."

Welfare has nothing to do with Race. It's used by people of all color.

Racism, to me, is the thought or practice that promotes the thought that a person of a certain color or ethnicity is not capable of the same intellectual thoughts or of not being as worthy.

I don't look at Welfare being in that definition.

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Capricorn1

Aug-24-13 11:18 AM

Did you just say that all minorities are poor and kept that way through welfare? -Reeder

Reeder do the research regarding long term government dependency and the effect it has on society. Try to stay away from your usual liberal extremist web sites.

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mikekerstetter

Aug-24-13 11:04 AM

Ritty77-"There's also that whole "affirmative action" thing. It is by definition institutionalized racism."

I was thinking the same thing. Take Civil Service Exams for example. If you want a Civil Service job you take an exam and receive a score. If you are a veteran you get a 10 point bonus. Everyone goes on a 'list' in order of score.

The Civil Service list can be broken down to show only minority or female applicants.

In a system that, in essence, is supposed to reward and hire only the most qualified applicants, what it does in practice is skip over more qualified white male applicants to get to Veterans, Minorities, and Females with lower scores.

Each of us can decide for ourselves whether such practices are fair and warranted. I think it says that society believes those who benefit from the practice are lesser people who need help to gain employment.

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