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Beyond the surface

August 24, 2013

Kudos to Richard Sahn (August 11) for probing beyond the surface to the root causes of the Trayvon Martin tragedy: institutionalized racism, discrimination, economic and social inequalities....

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USABorn

Aug-24-13 2:26 AM

"Kudos to Richard Sahn (August 11) for probing beyond the surface to the root causes of the Trayvon Martin tragedy: institutionalized racism, discrimination, economic and social inequalities. Our society is not without blame."

It's time to quit with the excuses! Institutionalized racism, discrimination, economic, social inequalities and society?

MOST problems (black, white, or polka-dot) are caused by lack of ACCEPTING personal responsibility, and until that happens, there will be THUGS of every color......just like Travon Martin! No other excuses needed, required, or accepted!

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Tgrammiex4

Aug-24-13 5:14 AM

OK Mr. Sullivan, how do you explain the recent killings of a white jogger from Australia and the beating death of an 88 yr. old WW2 vet, white also. Both murders were commited by black teens. How do you excuse thier "racism"? Why aren't black "leaders" demanding that this violence stops? All the reasons you stated are no excuse for poor parenting.

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Premier

Aug-24-13 5:56 AM

Racism is a word of convenience. There are elements and traits that people have that lead me to steer clear of them and that spans all spectrums of color. None of us would invite a gang banger to dinner but I've worked with many colored people down south who I would be honored to have as my neighbor.

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eriklatranyi

Aug-24-13 6:23 AM

Trayvon Martin was the racist that night. He profiled George Zimmerman, called him racial epithets, and physically attacked him for no legitimate reason.

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mikekerstetter

Aug-24-13 7:31 AM

I don't understand how black people being slaves 150 years ago or the racism showed through the 1960's and 70's equates to being oppressed today or how the history of slavery and racism can be used as a pass for the irresponsible behaviors of some of the black youth today. None of them have ever been a slave nor seen the oppression of the past, so how can it affect them?

It's not racism that drives it, it's the culture, lack of family, and lack of the instillation of personal responsibility, initiative and morals that fuels it.

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CMReeder

Aug-24-13 7:51 AM

Racism still exists.

Good letter. Society is not perfect, neither are human beings.

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Capricorn1

Aug-24-13 8:29 AM

Yes, racism does exist. But to put all the problems in the black community under the umbrella of racism is counter-productive. Until the black community addresses the real issues, nothing will change. Three quarters of black children are raised in fatherless homes. 85% of all black children in poverty live in single-parent, mother-child homes. Yet the poverty rate of black families with both the mother and father in the home is a mere 2%. Nearly 80 percent of single mothers apply for welfare benefits within five years after giving birth to their first child. Single parenthood also directly correlates to academic failure, behavior problems, future criminality and many other areas in life. None of these issues are ever addressed. It's easier just to cloak everything as racism.

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CaveFelem

Aug-24-13 8:39 AM

Racism works both ways. As Tgrammiex4 pointed out, just in the past few days we had 2 instances of white people being targeted. I guess those black teens who beat an 88 year old man to death with flashlights were threatened by institutional racism and had to react. What a crock of s**t.

And look up Ayo Kimathi. This guy works for homeland security, and is on paid leave (of course), who operates a website promoting blacks killing whites in a race war. I guess his website caused a stir, but not enough to get him fired.

Most of the people I know judge people by their actions, not by what color they are.

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CMReeder

Aug-24-13 9:01 AM

People think that great advances have been made in race relations and no longer have to make sure that they improve. They think that racism has been eliminated or greatly reduced.

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MrShaman

Aug-24-13 9:03 AM

"Every race of people who have been stepped on by society have reacted with hostility; it is human nature." - John Sullivan

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I'm guessing George Zimmerman was primarily driven by his (assumed) "invisibility"...like any OTHER Barney Fife type.

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MrShaman

Aug-24-13 9:06 AM

Whew!!!!

Quite the "outstanding" collection of White-trash opinions!!!!!

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enigma

Aug-24-13 9:35 AM

Institutionalized racism? Is he taking about the NAACP, or the *****e College fund, or any of the other black only organizations? That's right, our black AG tells us that blacks can't be racist. Yes, there is still racism in the country, but it is much less common in the white community than the race industry would have you believe. They have apparently convinced some.

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Ritty77

Aug-24-13 9:44 AM

"They think that racism has been eliminated or greatly reduced."

NOBODY of any race thinks racism has been "eliminated." But it certainly has been "greatly reduced."

Do you not have enough of your own issues that support your personal victimhood status that you must manufacture, exaggerate and whine for others, too?

In the words of Dennis Miller, "Dude has more periods than a Hemingway novel."

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CMReeder

Aug-24-13 9:57 AM

"Do you not have enough of your own issues that support your personal victimhood status that you must manufacture, exaggerate and whine for others, too? "

TROLL!

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Capricorn1

Aug-24-13 10:10 AM

The biggest example of institutionalized racism is the government practice of long term welfare dependency.

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underwood

Aug-24-13 10:14 AM

The entire argument that blacks or anyone else should be excused for behavior or poor decision-making because of how their ancestors were treated in the past is silly to say the least. There are many successful blacks that are ignored. Japanese and other Orientals were treated quite poorly in the past, but now commit very little crime and excel in education and the workplace. Those profiting from keeping the perception of racism alive propagandize today’s racism.

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Ritty77

Aug-24-13 10:25 AM

"The biggest example of institutionalized racism is the government practice of long term welfare dependency."

There's also that whole "affirmative action" thing. It is by definition institutionalized racism.

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CMReeder

Aug-24-13 10:40 AM

Institutionalized racism is done through welfare system? Did you just say that all minorities are poor and kept that way through welfare?

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mikekerstetter

Aug-24-13 11:04 AM

Ritty77-"There's also that whole "affirmative action" thing. It is by definition institutionalized racism."

I was thinking the same thing. Take Civil Service Exams for example. If you want a Civil Service job you take an exam and receive a score. If you are a veteran you get a 10 point bonus. Everyone goes on a 'list' in order of score.

The Civil Service list can be broken down to show only minority or female applicants.

In a system that, in essence, is supposed to reward and hire only the most qualified applicants, what it does in practice is skip over more qualified white male applicants to get to Veterans, Minorities, and Females with lower scores.

Each of us can decide for ourselves whether such practices are fair and warranted. I think it says that society believes those who benefit from the practice are lesser people who need help to gain employment.

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Capricorn1

Aug-24-13 11:18 AM

Did you just say that all minorities are poor and kept that way through welfare? -Reeder

Reeder do the research regarding long term government dependency and the effect it has on society. Try to stay away from your usual liberal extremist web sites.

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mikekerstetter

Aug-24-13 11:25 AM

Capricorn1-"The biggest example of institutionalized racism is the government practice of long term welfare dependency."

Welfare has nothing to do with Race. It's used by people of all color.

Racism, to me, is the thought or practice that promotes the thought that a person of a certain color or ethnicity is not capable of the same intellectual thoughts or of not being as worthy.

I don't look at Welfare being in that definition.

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Capricorn1

Aug-24-13 11:33 AM

Mike, read my first post and look at the alarming number of fatherless homes in the black communities and the fact that 85% of those children live in poverty and require government assistance. By allowing those people to receive that assistance long term, they are not taking the steps to address the real issues. I agree that welfare is used by those of all races, however, imo government assistance programs are structured in a way to keep people down and poor. Is that not the left's definition of institutionalized racism?

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CMReeder

Aug-24-13 11:42 AM

You did not answer the question.

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Capricorn1

Aug-24-13 11:46 AM

Reeder read my other posts. I did in fact answer your question. And I never stated all minorities were poor. Have a nice day.

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mikekerstetter

Aug-24-13 11:47 AM

Capricorn1,

Again, Welfare IS NOT a program for the Black community only. It provides the same benefits whether you're white, black, blue or green. Yes, I agree that out of wedlock birth is a severe problem in the black community. But Welfare is not a Racist system.

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