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August 25, 2013

Apparently, like always, the Sun Gazette has ignored the possible benefits the Obama Care offers and focused only on the negatives....

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Fredzz

Aug-27-13 7:52 PM

Sarah Murnaghan, she is alive and well, possibly going home today..

How does that equate to the term Death Camps...???

What is a Death Camp ? Does anyone know ?

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Fredzz

Aug-27-13 9:37 AM

Currently *Choice* is not an option..!

Could someone elaborate about what the term Death Panels really are..?

And please... skip the annoying Political Propaganda nonsense.

Thanks in advance.

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USABorn

Aug-27-13 7:29 AM

Fredzz - 3:51 PM

"Die with Dignity...!! "

Fredzz, I believe we have all know people who have died terrible, agonizing deaths. And maybe many of them would have CHOSEN the alternative. CHOSEN is the key word word here.

CHOOSING is one thing, DEATH PANELS quite another.

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USABorn

Aug-27-13 7:02 AM

MrShaman - 5:21 AM

"Lemme guess...that's what you've "learned", from Porky Limbaugh...right?"

Now Sham, you know all the bull c r a p information comes from your buddies, PMSNBC, Stewart and Colbert!!!!

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USABorn

Aug-27-13 6:52 AM

"Better care and protections for seniors?"

Mr. Kamelski must not be a senior citizen, or he would know that sentence is definitiely not true!

It is more important that 26-year old "children" be on mommy and daddy's insurance, then to take care of the seniors.

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Fredzz

Aug-27-13 6:36 AM

So far better than expected.

How about you??

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Garben78

Aug-26-13 6:38 PM

And how is that social security thing working?

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Fredzz

Aug-26-13 3:51 PM

How many more have to DIE like this before they can have the option to

Die with Dignity...!!

I do not want my last few months to become a Living Hello

How about the rest of you??

Die with Dignity...!!

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Fredzz

Aug-26-13 3:39 PM

troyed. Shrunken too a skin clad skeleton. == I *know* he would have preferred death long before it got that bad.

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Back in the Two thousands my Mother was taken by an incurable cancer. She worked hard all of his life supporting a family of 7. The first and only` real` insurance She could afford was Medicare at 65.

She was kept alive with fluids and being hand fed and pumped full of Pain relief drugs. As she lay in bed mostly unconscious waiting to DIE . toward the end her Mind & Body was destroyed. toward the end his Mind & Body was destroyed. Shrunken too a skin clad skeleton.

== I *know* She would have preferred death long before it got that bad.

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Fredzz

Aug-26-13 3:38 PM

He was kept alive with IV and pumped full of Pain relief drugs. As he lay in a hospital bed mostly unconscious waiting to DIE he Bloated like a Dead Cow laying in a barn-yard for a few weeks. == I Know he would have preferred death long before it got that bad. ==

Back in the mid nineties my Father was taken by an incurable cancer. He worked hard all of his life supporting a family of 7. The first and only` real` insurance he could afford was Medicare at 65.

He was kept alive with fluids and being hand fed and pumped full of Pain relief drugs at home. As he lay in bed mostly unconscious waiting to DIE . toward the end his Mind & Body was de

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Fredzz

Aug-26-13 3:37 PM

"" This is why I and many others agree with Harry Reid when he said that Obamacare is only a step on the path to single payer coverage. "" =============================================

Darlin,

Quote:

because it may hinder the Dems chances of reelection when the elderly see the [ death panels ] are actually in it.

End Quote:

[ Death Panels ].... ???

Back in the early Eighties my Father in-law was taken by an incurable cancer. He had many years working at a large Corp. with generous Insurance coverage. He received the best of care for nearly a year. In that time... toward the end his Mind & Body was destroyed.

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Darlin

Aug-26-13 12:51 PM

No worries Sham, when Obamacare kicks in, you are out. At least we will have 1 good thing to laugh at.

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Chattycat

Aug-26-13 10:04 AM

Shaman, you've become a colossal bore.

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Darlin

Aug-26-13 8:48 AM

Wow Mr. Misinformed letter writer. You really need to read the bill. Seniors will get better healthcare? Say what? You are clueless as to what is really in the bill and you only see the "goodies" that were used to sell the bill. The real deal will be out when our leader says it can come out after the elections because it may hinder the Dems chances of reelection when the elderly see the death panels are actually in it. Read the bill idiot

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MrShaman

Aug-26-13 6:04 AM

"Both sides of the aisle are cherry-picking figures in there spending estimates in relation to "Obamacare". Republicans assert that the cost of “Obamacare” will explode. Democrats assert that "Obamacare" will control costs, provide better coverage over a wider demographic." - CarlHiller

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Please! It's the FOR-PROFIT PROVIDERS who'd insisted costs would come-down, by virtue of a wider demographic!!

Yeah...they actually promised that...and, if YOU didn't know that, you haven't been paying any more attention than the average T-Bagger.

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MrShaman

Aug-26-13 5:39 AM

Tgrammiex4-"I'm betting the writer is one of the lucky ones that won't have to be chosing between paying for health ins. and buying groceries for the month."

You mean like choosing between groceries and a supplemental plan like my retired mother does every month? Or the millions of people who already pay for their own insurance or health care and pay an inflated price to make up for all of those who don't or can't pay?" - mikekerstetter

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Does ANYONE care about INVE$TOR$, anymore??!!!

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"And if they see that an insurance company has not done what they think meets their expectations with the medical loss ratio, they'll punish them. Investors will start leaving in droves."

See:

BILL MOYERS JOURNAL | Wendell Potter | PBS [YouTube]

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MrShaman

Aug-26-13 5:27 AM

"I'm betting the writer is one of the lucky ones that won't have to be chosing between paying for health ins. and buying groceries for the month." - Tgrammiex4

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You anti-capitalists are all alike. Health-insurance companies DO have INVE$TOR$, you know! If you're having problems paying for groceries, you (QUITE) obviously need to find another JOB!!!

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MrShaman

Aug-26-13 5:21 AM

"We didn't need to nationalize our medical system to be able to fix these problems." - Tedeaux

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For-Profit health-insurance providers have been nationalized????

Lemme guess...that's what you've "learned", from Porky Limbaugh...right?

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mikekerstetter

Aug-26-13 3:57 AM

Erik, I disagree. The Republicans could have had a say in the ACA back when it was drafted whether the Dems had a filibuster proof majority or not. Obama and the Dems wanted a bipartisan bill but the republicans refused to participate. You don't need a filibuster to negotiate. In fact, I believe the GOP's refusal to participate combined with the Dem's pushing the bill through the way they did set the stage for much of the deadlock we've had in Washington since. Yes, I think the GOP could have played a vital role by playing ball and negotiating their way through that bill. Instead, they sat on the sideline and allowed this to happen without their input.

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mikekerstetter

Aug-26-13 3:46 AM

Bobbie2-"Tell us kerstetter how obamacare will solve any problems you listed?"

I don't recall listing any problems and I certainly didn't claim Obamacare to be a fix on our health care system. All I said was that it has a few good points in it, like the preexisting condition clause and preventative healthcare.

I was served steak, baked potatoes and brussel sprouts for dinner one night. I certainly didn't throw out the whole meal because I didn't like brussel sprouts.

That's all I'm saying about the ACA; it has a couple of good points that we ought to keep when we get rid of the parts we don't like.

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Ritty77

Aug-25-13 9:44 PM

David, the same people who want people to be more self-reliant also want to put an end to the cronyism of which you speak.

Big government, increased regulations, an out of control tax code, and 2000-page "comprehensive" laws with hundreds of "to be determined by the Secretary" clauses are all avenues for this type of behavior.

The Hill has a story about Obamacare's authors blatantly selling their influence. See: "ObamaCare's architects reap windfall as Washington lobbyists"

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DavidBross

Aug-25-13 8:31 PM

"Conservatives claimed his policies were socialism in disguise, and that an interfering activist government was destroying a proud history of self-reliance." What caught my eye is the part about self-reliance. There seems to a bit a shell game going on. Individuals are encouraged to rely on themselves while companies grow larger and rely on lobbyists and influence in Washington. I see this call for self reliance as much an effort to keep the masses unorganized as anything else.

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Premier

Aug-25-13 8:08 PM

The biggest problem with the ACA that no one is addressing is the fact that there will be a large portion of the uninsured right now that CANNOT AFFORD health insurance.

Their the ones who don't qualify for Medicaid yet don't make enough to purchase insurance.

These are people who are just barely keeping their heads above water and are going to have to pay the penalty, fine, tax whatever to satisfy the IRS yet will still not have insurance. How can they fine someone for not making enough money??? And if they were to purchase insurance it would certainly lead to bankruptcy.

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eriklatranyi

Aug-25-13 6:05 PM

Mike:

The Republicans had no way to participate.

If you recall, Democrats held a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate.....where Obamacare was written.

Republicans were not allowed to offer any amendments. Anything proposed was immediately shot down.

Republicans have always stood for selling health insurance across state lines, ala carte policies, and many other provisions.

Democrats feared those might work to slow the growth in healthcare costs and blocked every attempt to pass such legislation.

Just like Democrats refuse to allow our borders to be sealed without a simultaneous amnesty being enacted.

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mikekerstetter

Aug-25-13 5:36 PM

Capricorn, that's not the way I remember it. The way I remember it is that the Republicans refused to put forth any plans and refused to participate.

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