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August 25, 2013

Apparently, like always, the Sun Gazette has ignored the possible benefits the Obama Care offers and focused only on the negatives....

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Tedeaux

Aug-25-13 4:33 AM

Your ignoring the fact that all of those issues could have been addressed on a issue by issue case. We didn't need to nationalize our medical system to be able to fix these problems. What we have now is the same problems we've always had, plus a bunch more problems that cost a lot more money to fix. And we have an idiot in the Whitehouse that keeps handing out blank checks to pay for programs that we have no way of knowing how much money it will take!

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VinceKnauff

Aug-25-13 5:34 AM

Did he change ANY words her? Or did he directly do a paste job from the chain email he got this from?

These claims are trumped by the fact that all this will make the cost of coverage skyrocket.

Liberalism rarely uses logic and fails because of it.

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Tgrammiex4

Aug-25-13 5:51 AM

I'm betting the writer is one of the lucky ones that won't have to be chosing between paying for health ins. and buying groceries for the month.

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Don521

Aug-25-13 6:25 AM

You are a brave man Ron!

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mikekerstetter

Aug-25-13 6:36 AM

Tgrammiex4-"I'm betting the writer is one of the lucky ones that won't have to be chosing between paying for health ins. and buying groceries for the month."

You mean like choosing between groceries and a supplemental plan like my retired mother does every month? Or the millions of people who already pay for their own insurance or health care and pay an inflated price to make up for all of those who don't or can't pay? Or maybe it's those people who were forced into bankruptcy because they couldn't get insurance because of a pre existing condition.

I agree that Obamacare has plenty of faults and issues, but it does have it's good points too.

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mikekerstetter

Aug-25-13 6:40 AM

Tedeaux-"Your ignoring the fact that all of those issues could have been addressed on a issue by issue case. We didn't need to nationalize our medical system to be able to fix these problems."

But they weren't being fixed. And in many cases they still aren't fixed. Why throw out the good parts with all of the parts you don't like?

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VinceKnauff

Aug-25-13 6:42 AM

If Obamacare was going to be so great, why did Obama lie to us repeatedly when he was selling it to us?

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eriklatranyi

Aug-25-13 6:52 AM

Mike:

More gov't will not result in better care.

You should know this, but wish to focus on the sound-bite portions of the legislation.

You asked why nothing was done before?

Just like illegal immigration, why can't they just do legislation to control the borders?

Because liberals did not want the system fixed....they need it to fail so the people can turn to more and bigger gov't.

That is why Obamacare will fail...just to set the stage for single-payer.

And that results in poor care, unnecessary deaths and the reduction in new technology.

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CarlHiller

Aug-25-13 6:55 AM

Both sides of the aisle are cherry-picking figures in there spending estimates in relation to "Obamacare". Republicans assert that the cost of “Obamacare” will explode. Democrats assert that "Obamacare" will control costs, provide better coverage over a wider demographic. Neither side is being honest with those who will foot the bill. Somebody has to pay at some point, for all these so-called "possible positive benefits".

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CarlHiller

Aug-25-13 6:57 AM

Obamacare cannot be explained any better than how "Dr. Barbara Bellar stated the bureaucratics and ham-handedness of it succinctly in one sentence: We're going to be gifted with a healthcare plan we are forced to purchase and fined if we don't which purportedly covers at least 10 million more people without adding a single new doctor but provides for 16,000 new IRS agents, written by a committee whose chairman says he doesn't understand it, passed by a Congress that didn't read it, but exempted themselves from it and signed by a President who smokes with funding administered by a Treasury chief who didn't pay his taxes for which we will be taxed for four years before any benefits take effect by a government which has already bankrupted social security and Medicare, all to be overseen by a Surgeon General who is obese and financed by a country that is broke."

Pretty much sums it up!

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mikekerstetter

Aug-25-13 7:00 AM

Carl, I know who is footing the bill. Just like with taxes only a few are paying into the system and those few are paying through the nose for other peoples health care.

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Tgrammiex4

Aug-25-13 7:20 AM

To extent what Pelosi said " We won't know whats in it till we pass it", we won't know what it costs till we pay for it.

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Tgrammiex4

Aug-25-13 7:23 AM

"I agree that Obamacare has plenty of faults and issues, but it does have it's good points too. "MIKE

That remains to be seen....

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mikekerstetter

Aug-25-13 8:03 AM

Tgrammiex4-"That remains to be seen...."

When you start with the premise that all is bad you will never see any good in anything.

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CMReeder

Aug-25-13 8:03 AM

Good letter!

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Tgrammiex4

Aug-25-13 8:16 AM

Well Mike, considering the Gov't. STILL doesn't know how this thing is going to work or what it will cost, it's hard to be optimistic about it.

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spike2

Aug-25-13 8:24 AM

MikeKerstetter is correct. The supplemental plans are through the roof. the out-of-pocket numbers dramatically change depending on the illness. the prescription plans are not the best. Very few of us will leave employment with a healthcare plan carryover. What happens when Medicare decreases and private policies increase? fewer and fewer will have adequate healthcare. As healthcare decreases illness and disease increase. Illness spreads. Illness doesn't understand premium differentials. Don't be so sure you don't care if the person in the line in front of you has healthcare, or the person who tried an item on before you in a store. Wouldn't you prefer the neighbors have adequate care if your family member lives in a senior housing complex?

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VinceKnauff

Aug-25-13 9:17 AM

Obamacare is nothing more than a house of cards that is designed to fail and then leave us with no other option except single (government) payer NHS type health coverage.

Obamacare will only work if young people buy insurance coverage in great percentage numbers. But rather than put excessive penalties on those that refuse to buy coverage, Obamacare levies relatively small penalties on those such young people. Obamacare actually gives an incentive to NOT buy into the system. This is why I and many others agree with Harry Reid when he said that Obamacare is only a step on the path to single payer coverage.

Welcome to dismal health care run amok. Welcome to death panels. Welcome to rationed care. No, silly rabbit, you can't keep your health coverage if you like it. Unless you are a congressman, that is.

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eriklatranyi

Aug-25-13 11:20 AM

One only has to look at the arbitrary and inconsistent actions taken under Obamacare so far:

Waivers granted without a clear set of standards to earn a waiver.

Exemptions given to large corporations without similar exemptions for individuals.

New rules and benefit changes at the discretion of the Secretary of Health & Human Services.

Bureaucrats deciding if the medical need warrants coverage.

With regard to cost: Name one social program that came in at the originally estimated cost.

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mikekerstetter

Aug-25-13 11:53 AM

Tgrammiex4-"Well Mike, considering the Gov't. STILL doesn't know how this thing is going to work or what it will cost, it's hard to be optimistic about it."

But not knowing how it is going to work you choose to be pessimistic about it.

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mikekerstetter

Aug-25-13 2:17 PM

eriklatranyi-"Mike: More gov't will not result in better care."

I never said it did. What I said was that there was some good points to Obamacare and we shouldn't throw out the good stuff with the stuff that's not so good.

eriklatranyi-"You should know this, but wish to focus on the sound-bite portions of the legislation."

I have said repeatedly that most of the ACA is crappy. I've also said it's got some good points.

eriklatranyi-"You asked why nothing was done before?"

No, that wasn't a question. That was a statement of fact. No one was tackling the health care problem. The Dems were wrong in pushing it through with no Republican support and the Republicans were wrong for refusing to participate in the process when it was going through the process.

Like I said, it's not a good piece of legislation, but it does have a few good things interspersed in it. Both sides have their share of blame for what it became.

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Capricorn1

Aug-25-13 3:17 PM

Mike, I agree that it does have several good points, however the good points I'm sure you're referring to were the same areas the republicans wanted to concentrate on. But they wanted to take a systematic approach and cover each area of the healthcare separately to ensure all problems were addressed and the cost for implementing each change was funded. Democrats chose to ignore that approach and take advantage of their majority and push through massive legislation that no one understood and at a cost that is still yet to be determined or funded. Promises were made and broken and waivers were given arbitrarily with even the leaders that passed the legislation opting out of the mandate. That alone is a red flag. I remember all too well how the government used to run the VA healthcare and they still have work to do. I can only imagine how mismanaged this program will become and the growth in an already bulging government that will be needed.

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mikekerstetter

Aug-25-13 5:36 PM

Capricorn, that's not the way I remember it. The way I remember it is that the Republicans refused to put forth any plans and refused to participate.

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eriklatranyi

Aug-25-13 6:05 PM

Mike:

The Republicans had no way to participate.

If you recall, Democrats held a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate.....where Obamacare was written.

Republicans were not allowed to offer any amendments. Anything proposed was immediately shot down.

Republicans have always stood for selling health insurance across state lines, ala carte policies, and many other provisions.

Democrats feared those might work to slow the growth in healthcare costs and blocked every attempt to pass such legislation.

Just like Democrats refuse to allow our borders to be sealed without a simultaneous amnesty being enacted.

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Premier

Aug-25-13 8:08 PM

The biggest problem with the ACA that no one is addressing is the fact that there will be a large portion of the uninsured right now that CANNOT AFFORD health insurance.

Their the ones who don't qualify for Medicaid yet don't make enough to purchase insurance.

These are people who are just barely keeping their heads above water and are going to have to pay the penalty, fine, tax whatever to satisfy the IRS yet will still not have insurance. How can they fine someone for not making enough money??? And if they were to purchase insurance it would certainly lead to bankruptcy.

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