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August 25, 2013

It's not surprising that no one wanted their name on the shoddy piece of propaganda (“Separating gas drilling fact from fiction – study is a good first step,” 8/4/13) which capped your biased......

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RogerMurdock

Aug-25-13 5:51 AM

John, how many cases of childhood asthma will result from the gas boom? Probably none. Every time the subject of air quality has come up concerning the gas industry and an approximate address has been given to address a specific case, I've taken a ride to see it for myself. In every case the only air pollution I've been able to identify is that caused by the wood stoves and OWB's which are now all the rage in both urban and rural Pa and NY that pour pollutants by the ton into the air. Don't believe me? Supply me with an e-mail address and I'd be happy to send you a few pictures which will prove my point.

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eriklatranyi

Aug-25-13 6:59 AM

More hysterical claims based on lies or outdated information.

Air quality has been studied numerous times and the result is the same ---- negligible.

Since natural gas is the cleanest burning hydrocarbon, converting people from oil and coal will actually result in cleaner air.

In fact, the very same groups, who now try to create hysteria over asthma, were touting the air quality benefits of natural gas only 5 years ago.

Sierra Club was a big recipient of money from the natural gas industry....until we found it in abundance under our feet. Now, they switched their position or they will face a donation boycott by their fickle supporters.

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eriklatranyi

Aug-25-13 7:05 AM

The claim about casing failures is another fabrication.

First, casings do fail when they are built. That is true.

But casing are being tested to ensure their integrity. This has reduced failures to less than one tenth of one percent.

How many people actually know that casing technology has improved significantly in just the past three years?

Anti-domestic energy groups will not tell you this, because they have to use old data and innuendo to further their cause.

If the average person knew how fast this industry is advancing, the support for the anti-domestic energy groups would drop to near zero.

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eriklatranyi

Aug-25-13 7:13 AM

While we are talking about advancements, let's talk about fracturing fluid.

In the last three years, the composition of frack fluid has changed dramatically.

30 years ago, the industry used diesel fuel as the lubricant in frack fluid.

Today, they use vegetable oil.

Years ago, the industry used chlorine to control algae in the wellbore.

Today, they use the equivalent of Baquacil.

This industry does not stand still.....gov't funded renewable energies (solar, wind) have only doubled their efficiency once over the past 20 years.

The natural gas industry has increased 300% over the last five years.

So, while the anti-domestic energy groups try to catch up and fabricate their lies, the industry marches ahead, addressing areas of concern and improving their efficiency.

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CMReeder

Aug-25-13 8:02 AM

Good questions in the letter and no answers to them.

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garder54

Aug-25-13 8:23 AM

FTFY, Penn College*

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DavidBross

Aug-25-13 8:24 AM

"(EDITOR'S NOTE: Sun-Gazette editorials represent the newspaper's opinion, independent of its news coverage, and as such do not carry a byline.)" They should. After all, LTEs have their authors' names attached. Also, given the obvious difference in style and quality of the editorials that represent the paper's opinion, this shows that the impact individual authors have on an editorial even thought it is supposed to represent the "paper". Of course, if the paper has opinions, then perhaps it is a person. I believe the Supreme Court has supported the notion of corporations being considered people. If so, then one could say that it/he/she has several distinct personalities. And, such a condition is usually considered an illness in people.

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underwood

Aug-25-13 8:42 AM

When one considers the facts (science) concerning gas production, one will see that claims of pollution, both groundwater and air, are groundless and based upon emotion bordering on hysteria.

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Scott36

Aug-25-13 11:24 AM

DavidBross--Good comment!! Scott

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CMReeder

Aug-25-13 12:39 PM

I agree with Scott36 good post David.

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CMReeder

Aug-25-13 12:41 PM

Looks like some don't invest any emotions whatsoever. Sad.

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JerryfromRI

Aug-25-13 4:08 PM

Hey Erik - Has diesel been used in fracking fluid in PA at anytime in the last three years?

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BornHere

Aug-25-13 4:28 PM

Yes.

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eriklatranyi

Aug-25-13 6:07 PM

Jerry:

I am not aware that diesel has been used in frack fluid for at least the past 10-plus years.

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BornHere

Aug-25-13 7:09 PM

Jerry:

I found this for you.

January 2011

Three legislators from the House of Representatives Henry Waxman, Edward Markey, Diana DeGette found that while the public and legislature had been led to believe that this practice had ceased even before the passage of the "Energy Policy Act" oil and gas service companies injected 32.2 Million gallons of diesel fuel into wells in 19 States. In Pa. alone diesel fuel was used 45 times between 1/2011-8/2012.

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DavidBross

Aug-25-13 8:50 PM

"Yes, we carefully screen our candidates unlike the DNC which would elect an inexperienced, inarticulate candidate due to the color of his skin." Erik, two things. First, please explain how that careful screening worked in the '08 and '12 presidential elections. I'm thinking that Palin, and the series of presidential hopefuls (Bachman, Perry, Cain, and to a lesser degree, Santorum) that ran in '12 seemed more like shooting stars than candidates who belonged in the national political scene. Second, it sounds like you believe the the DNC and RNC elect candidates. I now this post is from anoher thread. But, Erik, I would really like to hear how that careful screening worked in 08 and 12.

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Garben78

Aug-26-13 4:37 AM

Drill baby drill baby drill

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BornHere

Aug-26-13 6:51 AM

There is a saying that people use that live in the Gulf, "Spill Baby Spill".

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BornHere

Aug-26-13 7:53 AM

Sorry Jerry that was suppose to be January 2013 not 2011.

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pinecr

Aug-26-13 10:22 AM

Well Roger, you obviously haven't looked where you should be looking...you have to leave the city to see the negative results of the gas industry, and I trust you have not been off the hard road and driven to the tops of the mountains to see exactly what is going on...and the methane coming off the well sites as they flare them...

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pinecr

Aug-26-13 10:24 AM

Hey Erik...if there is nothing to worry about with the fracking fluid, then why doesn't the gas industry release all of the chemicals found in the fluid...I can tell you why, because it is pure poison and they don't want the public to know what will be in our water and air in the next 10 years if they are allowed to continue to frack.

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BornHere

Aug-26-13 8:50 PM

Chron...August 25, 2013

"Drillers defend injecting diesel into the ground".

Most hydraulic fracturing fluid uses water as its primary component, but in formations where water is absorbed too easily "such as in certain kinds of clay", diesel is used as an additive.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Aug-27-13 6:04 AM

""Drillers defend injecting diesel into the ground".

Most hydraulic fracturing fluid uses water as its primary component, but in formations where water is absorbed too easily "such as in certain kinds of clay", diesel is used as an additive."-BornHere

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I believe the drillers are talking about trying to stabilize the wellbore during the drilling operation. Some formations have different crystalline structure clays (kaolinite, pecktite, etc sp??) that will swell and heave causing the drilling hole to have problems and could lead to a poor cement job. A non-water based substance like diesel is pumped down to coat the layer of clays so they will stop adsorbing fresh water in the drilling mud and won't swell up. This is done in the deeper section of hole below the fresh water zones that are cased off and protected. An option is to use brine based drilling muds. It is about protecting the wellbore and trying to get the best wellbore casing and cement de

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ToTEXASfromPA

Aug-27-13 6:05 AM

Cont>>> design.

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BornHere

Aug-27-13 3:42 PM

Thanks Texas, I asked my brother I can't say who he works for but he is a Research Engineer in Houston, TX he told me that diesel fuel is another component of some fracturing fluids although it is not used as an additive in all hydraulic fracturing operations. Diesel is used based on formation characteristics. I needed him to explain your comment for me and by the way he said you are correct.

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