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Whine and crackers

August 25, 2013

There have been several letters about racism and where people feel that it is being portrayed in our lives. A recent letter on that subject caught my attention....

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Tedeaux

Aug-25-13 4:49 AM

Well Chuck, where to begin with your insinuations. First, let me say that two wrongs don't make a right. Yes, there are instances of racist behavior perpetrated on black people in America, but Charlie Rangel, an elected representative of our Government should not be allowed to voice his racist beliefs without fear of the same treatment that Paula Deen experienced.

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VinceKnauff

Aug-25-13 5:45 AM

It's more obvious than ever that Liberals are the ones that keep racism alive. And it is more obvious than ever that they are keeping racism alive on purpose, because their political lives depend on it.

Liberals teach minorities that all their failures in life are not their fault. Liberals teach minorities that they are expected to fail because the decks are stacked against them.

Imagine how many generations of minorities Liberals have doomed by telling them that they have no chance to succeed.

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Tgrammiex4

Aug-25-13 6:09 AM

1. Slavery ended many generations ago.It is no longer a valid excuse for the oppression of the black community. On the contrary, many blacks are quite sucessful, hard working people. 2. As long as Black leaders cry "racism" at every turn, racism will continue to exist. 3. Where are these "leaders" outrage when the racism is reversed? Very little has been said about the recent murders against the Australian Jogger and the 88 yr. old WW2 vet. These were commited by Black teen thugs. Why do they get a pass? Shouldn't all Americans be against crime by any race to any race? This shouldn't be political at all.

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VinceKnauff

Aug-25-13 6:59 AM

Couple questions I put to our friendly Liberals out here:

Why do you Liberals deride and slander minorities who are successful but who are not Liberal? Examples are: Clarence Thomas, Condoleeza Rice, Herman Cain, Ted Cruz, etc? If this topic wasn't completely political with you then wouldn't the successes these minorities achieved be more important to you than their politics? Why are such examples called sellouts and Uncle Tom's by your ilk?

Why have you completely abandoned the words of Dr. King in his "I Have A Dream" speech given 50 years ago? Why do you insist on looking at a person and seeing him or her not as an individual but as part of an ethnic group?

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CarlHiller

Aug-25-13 7:15 AM

Is "cracker" a racial slur, as despicable as any other racial slur? Yes! "Cracker" carries a history of bigotry just as offensive as any racial slur used to demean. Everyone one of your questions is history, while there exists racism today by individuals, including the likes of Rangel, Sharpton and others, it is nowhere near the oppression that once was and today is mostly one-sided. Most of the oppression that blacks claim today is caused by their own lack of self-responsibility. It's time to quit living in the past. The past is great to learn from but not to live from. Quit looking at color for excuses. With a multi-racial pres, a black AG, numerous cases of colored men and women who are millionaires and billionaires, racism is not the excuse it once was. Get over it.

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CarlHiller

Aug-25-13 7:18 AM

Vince - Because it doesn't fit the agenda. The leftists must keep people under their thumbs because it is the only way they can have any power. As long as they create a class of underlings dependent on the largess of the leftist ruling class they can remain and gain power. If those underlings were to learn the truth the leftists would lose all power.

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eriklatranyi

Aug-25-13 7:20 AM

Mr. Reeder also tries to claim the Tea Party had "founders".

This is another lie originating from liberal mouths (like so many other lies).

But, Mr. Reeder tries to take the racist (and rejected) comments by a few individuals in order to paint an entire movement as racist.

Nobody in conservative/libertarian circles tried to claim that Charles Rangel's racism means all liberals are racist.

But, that is the slimy, underhanded tactics employed by some liberals, like Mr. Reeder.

It tells us all we need to know about the content of his character.

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mikekerstetter

Aug-25-13 8:00 AM

Not surprisingly Chuck believes racism is a one way street. He belongs in the group with all of the other racial pot stirrers.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Aug-25-13 8:15 AM

My question is at what point in time is victimology behind us? When will it no longer be an excuse? When will people stop living in the past? When will they stop promoting separation? What events/milestones need to occur to put behind us? How will we know that we have arrived? What is the destination? Will some know that we are there and others won't or will all know? Or will some continue to ride that horse, whipping on it as it lays collapsed and breathless beneath them while they say they were just tokens.

We are all underprivileged, oppressed, failed to measure up, less than perfect. We are poor and have less money than others. We have less than optimal physical features and are not as attractive or as prominent as others. We are less popular and not part of the in crowd. We are picked on by others. We don't have a mansion. We have to clean up after ourselves and don't have servants. We are all victims but we have a great God that loves us.

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Capricorn1

Aug-25-13 8:48 AM

As long as victimology and racism are used as in excuse, the real problems within the black community will never be solved. Those on the left and community "leaders" such as Jackson and Sharpton that influence others into believing their claims are doing nothing but continuing the racial tension in this country.

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spike2

Aug-25-13 8:52 AM

I agree that race-baiters exist. On all sides. I also find it completely ridiculous that white people feel they can speak to how black people may or may not feel. Vince, the examples you give are all people on the hard right. Apparently the white folk didn't admire Herman Cain much. Condy is a far better musician than pol. In all seriousness. She is a very gifted pianist. Clarence Thomas should be an embarrassment to all. he flagrantly violates laws while sitting on the highest court in our country. ted Cruz? Seriously. There are just as many bad players on the left side. I find it disturbing that those who comment find role models who fit their idea of good role models for others.

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underwood

Aug-25-13 9:18 AM

The Tea Party Movement is nothing more than a mindset favoring individual liberty, limited government and Capitalism. There are individuals and groups identifying with the movement because they either believe in those principles or see political gain by doing so. The left can’t effectively argue against Tea Party principles without exposing their own principles, so they resort to their usual smear tactics, exaggerations and downright lies in an attempt to discredit the movement.

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VinceKnauff

Aug-25-13 9:28 AM

Vince, the examples you give are all people on the hard right.

Spike - are you defending those on the left that call these conservative minorities derogatory and racist names? I noticed you deliberately avoided the entire point of my comment while trying to rebut it.

What laws has Clarence Thomas broken? Did he refuse to enforce some law he disagreed with?

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VinceKnauff

Aug-25-13 9:49 AM

As long as you have people sorted into groups for the purpose of deciding how much extra help the government will give them, then you will have racism. Giving one group of people special treatment for reasons that haven't been relevant in decades will only cause resentment among those who are not in that special group.

When you have events blamed on racism where none is obvious, you breed resentment. When you have actions that are obviously racist in nature but never called racist, you breed resentment. Liberals are guilty of all these actions. Liberals perpetuate racism. If not for quotas and "diversity" racism would be far less a problem than it is.

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spike2

Aug-25-13 10:07 AM

Vince, I don't support quotas. I don't support any type of Affirmative Action. What special treatment do you feel is given? We have more Caucasians receiving housing subsidies, welfare and food stamps than minorities. The racial identifier will be greater in certain area but in the aggregate the Caucasians are receiving more. Clarence Thomas repeatedly fails to recuse himself when a conflict exists. Our local Judges are fastidious in recusing themselves when warranted. I assume your references are the Trayvon Martin case. I don't understand your last sentence re: diversity. Should we all stay "with our own kind?" This will all be moot however. You will lose again unless the GOP gets smart and runs a moderate. You seem to not understand that this "lib" can vote for a moderate republican. Run an extreme right winger and you will lose. Again and again. it's not free things. the GOP runs unacceptable candidates and has planks that cause many to turn away from you.

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Capricorn1

Aug-25-13 10:32 AM

"We have more Caucasians receiving housing subsidies, welfare and food stamps than minorities."

Spike, that statement is very misleading because whites make up the majority of the population. When you do the math and go by percentages, the hard numbers of those receiving government assistance in the black communities is very grim. Much of that is due to the fact that 3/4 of black children live in fatherless homes. Another fact that is ignored.

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Linhk48

Aug-25-13 11:23 AM

PhilUnderwood---nearly always the voice of intelligent sanity and reason--wrote:

" As long as they create a class of underlings dependent on the largess of the leftist ruling class they can remain and gain power."

And that, dear citizens, is a huge part of what is causing the decline of this country in so many ways--financial, intellectual and technological to name a few---and contributing causes for this country to lose the respect of the rest of the world in just a few generations.

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eriklatranyi

Aug-25-13 11:32 AM

Liberals proclaim themselves the champions of blacks.

Unfortunately, the statistics clearly show black citizens going backwards with regard to income, family, crime, assistance, and nearly every social and economic measure imaginable since liberals self-proclaimed themselves as defenders of minorities.

In fact, one could argue that black citizens were better-off prior to LBJs "Great Society" programs than they are today.

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Scott36

Aug-25-13 11:38 AM

This shouldn't be political at all.-Tgrammiex4

I agree completely. But it is. Until we all condemn racism/bigotry, it is never going to (if it even is possible) be settled. This "his racism is worse than mine" will solve nothing.IMO

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Scott36

Aug-25-13 11:45 AM

Vince - Because it doesn't fit the agenda. The leftists must keep people under their thumbs because it is the only way they can have any power-CarlHiller

WOW-This is slightly off topic, but I simply could not resist! How about applying this statement to the conservative/tea party platform. Marco Rubio is an example.

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Ritty77

Aug-25-13 1:24 PM

"You will lose again unless the GOP gets smart and runs a moderate."

Didn't the GOP run a "moderate" in 2008, with McCain, and in 2012, with Romney?

Does the Democrat party run "moderates"?

If by "moderate" you mean someone who is pro-abortion, pro-open borders, pro-tax and spend, then I think what you want the GOP to run is a Democrat.

Any GOP candidate will be called an uncaring, woman-hating, racist, bigoted extremist, and his or her record and positions will be the subject of endless, lying political ads.

Better just to run a principled Conservative and offer a clear alternative to the current administration's failed, destructive policies. Then, when it's time for REAL "change," such an option will be available and attractive.

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Scott36

Aug-25-13 2:00 PM

Any GOP candidate will be called an uncaring, woman-hating, racist, bigoted extremist, and his or her record and positions will be the subject of endless, lying political ads.-Ritty77

Like a decorated war hero? swift-boating ?

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JohnZook

Aug-25-13 5:48 PM

The reason Jackson and Sharpton are still relevant is because it's their job to deliver minority votes at election time and then be seen at Democratic functions to show how the Dems appreciate minorities. If there are black people at a Republican function, they are said to be there as "window dressing" to try to prove they don't hate black people.

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eriklatranyi

Aug-25-13 6:10 PM

Scott:

The Swift-Boat Vets were right.

John Kerry was not in Cambodia on Christmas Eve 1968.

When a man blatantly lies, it is the duty of men-of-honor to call him on it.

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VinceKnauff

Aug-25-13 6:33 PM

What special treatment do you feel is given? We have more Caucasians receiving housing subsidies, welfare and food stamps than minorities.

Spike - you are just wrong. Sure there are more caucasians receiving benefits, but not on a per-capita basis. Blacks receive 40% of government benefits but make up less than 20% of the US population. Seeing such a disproportionate ratio can not help in reducing racist resentment.

And I noticed that you vaguely stated that Clarence Thomas repeatedly did not recuse from cases where he should have without mentioning any such cases. Are you invoking the Reeder / Hilfirty rule here?

Simply put - there should be no racial quotas anywhere in any direction. Period. Time has long passed since such quotas have been needed. Groups such as the NAACP and the Rainbow Coalition or the Southern Poverty Law Center are obsolete and have no validity today.

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