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For the work crews

August 31, 2013

Good morning, commissioners and Lycoming County Prison administratio....

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spike2

Sep-01-13 7:26 AM

Capricorn- the still do work at the landfill and recycling. They still do the grounds at county properties. They still work snow removal at county properties and parking lots. They also perform work at the Pre-Release facility. Second, all gainfully employed inmates do pay to be at Pre-Pelease. Inmates now have one half of money sent to them for commissary taken immediately. Inmates pay for something as small as aspirin if they have any money on their "books". I think it would really be of benefit for some to make a call or go to websites re: facilities before jumping to conclusions.The sentence is the punishment under our law in Pa.. Inmates are eligible for Pre-Release. Those who go do perform some type of work. Those who choose not to remain in the prison. Those who go to Pre-release and refuse to work go back to the prison.

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rmiller

Aug-31-13 6:45 PM

Tedeaux,

After reading some of the posts (prior to my posting) you are correct - leave the Little League to the kids. Although I would waiver a guess that local politics plays into more of the Little League than not.

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rmiller

Aug-31-13 6:42 PM

There was no tragedy or political gain for Obama to come to the World Series. As for using those who collect aid (imprisonment and or otherwise) working the roads and highways? I believe that work release does provide that, but to my knowledge, "work camps" were done away with in the 40's? I am a proponent BTW, for your letter's suggestions, it just isn't going to happen, not quite certain why.

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Capricorn1

Aug-31-13 1:40 PM

I agree that the ultimate goal is to have no litter but the reality is, that will never happen and unless you want additional tax dollars used for state, county and city employees used to clean up trash, there has to be another solution. The Adopt A Highway Program used to be heavily advertised and was popular when the program first started but you don't hear much about that anymore. I think more organizations throughout the city could get together and have a community pride day or something to that nature. Perhaps the city could hold an event in the fall and summer and advertise and try and get as many people as possible involved. But as far as it being a liability issue to use county inmates, I'm sure that's the case here locally but I think it's a bunch of hogwash. As Gavin stated, this is done not only across the state but nationwide so it's not an impossibility. Sounds like there is more to it locally than what's being said.

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Tedeaux

Aug-31-13 10:43 AM

This is a good letter except I think a better solution would be for people to not litter in the first place. Have litterbugs work a week at the recycling plant and they will be far less inclined to litter in the future. As far as President Obama coming to the Little League World Series goes, can we keep this event focused on the real stars and that is the kids. If anything, have the world champs over to the Whitehouse for a meet and greet if anything. Leave the politics out of it though.

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Scott36

Aug-31-13 9:12 AM

Why can't people just take care of their own trash!-ToTEXASfromPA

How about it!!! What a radical idea!!!LOL I could not agree more. cleaning out the car after my teenage son & a few of his fiends used it required a trash bag, I did not mind though, at least they all had enough sense not to litter. Also, I pick up trash when I see it, a little pride in one's area goes a long way.

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JohnZook

Aug-31-13 9:09 AM

There are inmates from the Muncy prison who come to my church once a month to do special cleaning projects to work off community service hours. Of course that inside work where they can't get hit or run away.

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gavinf56

Aug-31-13 8:48 AM

If it cannot be done here because for liability reasons, then why can it be done in other parts of the country? County inmates cleaned county roads.

What do you think those on community service do? In State College they wash and clean the vehicles at the city garage and are used on work crews to clean trash.

Also, SCI Rockview inmates routinely are on work crews in the local state parks cleaning brush along trails, in particular Bald Eagle State Park.

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enigma

Aug-31-13 8:37 AM

Nice rant John. Too bad problems can't be solved by having you writing a whiney letter to the editor. None of these solutions is as simple as you would have us think. Do you really want people who aren't responsible enough to support themselves being responsible for the safety of children? That's just the most obvious problem with the 'solutions' you propose. It's easy to just throw out ideas without thinking them through. Politicians do it all the time. What we need are well thought out solutions, not half baked ideas.

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MrShaman

Aug-31-13 8:28 AM

Yeah...I guess we "radicals" are still overly-sensitive about (some) "traditional values". -Shaman

You mean traditional values such as requiring these inmates to actually pay back society's tax dollars that are used to house and feed them for mistakes that they made? A little community labor in return would be a good first step in the restitution process." - Capricorn1

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...And, your assumption is ...incarceration-buck$ < education-buck$????

Hey...maybe we could resurrect debtors-prisons, as well!!!!

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MrShaman

Aug-31-13 8:23 AM

Hey, Capricorn - I believe the reason you can no longer use inmates to pick up trash is liability. The inmates are in the "care and custody" of a correctional facility." - spike2

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That's (exactly) right.

I can only assume you're the person who's (already) informed 'Baggers, of that...7-or-8 times, in the past.

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Premier

Aug-31-13 8:00 AM

They probably kept the President away so as not to upset the children by them seeing an empty stadium.

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CaveFelem

Aug-31-13 7:37 AM

I need to add this - for someone who is fussing about non working parents providing free child crossing time, the LTE is blissfully unaware of the millions of tax dollars it would cost to bring the president to a Little League game.

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CaveFelem

Aug-31-13 7:35 AM

When I went to a township meeting and asked if we could get the inmates out to clean up my road, I was told it was a liability issue. They could get hurt, or hit by a car, whatever. So, I did it myself.

I've always wondered to this day who threw out dozens of Diet Pepsi cans, all in one spot. It's like they went by and tossed it out the window in the same place each day. Probably someone who's spouse didn't want them drinking it, I suspect.

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Zippie

Aug-31-13 7:32 AM

Put prison or probation people to work picking up trash? You open the city to law suits up the ... big time. Someone might get hit and killed or hurt by a motorist, or pricked by some trash and catch something, bit by some stray cat or loose dog.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Aug-31-13 7:16 AM

Why can't people just take care of their own trash!

Maybe they ought to start swabbing litter for DNA and see if they get hits in the database and start fining them.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Aug-31-13 7:12 AM

Nice one JerryfromRI

Then they would start riding the RR and we would close them. After that the river and creeks.

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JerryfromRI

Aug-31-13 6:58 AM

This is an interesting letter.

This guy sees litter on the ground and thinks the solution is to have somebody pick it up.

This is in contrast to how Williamsport's Mayor dealt with litter at Memorial Park over the Summer. He saw litter on the ground and took down the basketball hoops.

Is the solution to roadside litter to close the roads to teach motorists a lesson?

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Capricorn1

Aug-31-13 6:58 AM

Spike, you may be right. I remember when they had inmates from the pre-release center working at the recycling plant, separating material that saved the county over a quarter million dollars and any money the inmates made was used to pay their court costs and fines. I think more programs like that are needed.

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LeisureSuitLarry

Aug-31-13 6:51 AM

Obama come to the World Series? What the heck would you want that sorry sack here for? Glad he kept himself busy with golf and writing love letter to Larry Sinclair, and playing spades with his White House homies.

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Capricorn1

Aug-31-13 6:45 AM

Yeah...I guess we "radicals" are still overly-sensitive about (some) "traditional values". -Shaman

You mean traditional values such as requiring these inmates to actually pay back society's tax dollars that are used to house and feed them for mistakes that they made? A little community labor in return would be a good first step in the restitution process. If I didn't know better Shaman, I would guess you are an ex-convict.

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spike2

Aug-31-13 6:44 AM

Hey, Capricorn - I believe the reason you can no longer use inmates to pick up trash is liability. The inmates are in the "care and custody" of a correctional facility. If an individual was hit by a motor vehicle the correctional system would be liable. I'm sure you know how "valuation" of a life works. An inmate who is doing 3 months and 24 years old is "worth" a lot more than a 40 year old inmate doing 25 years. lawsuits lurk everywhere. call the Commissioners and ask why we don't use inmates along roadways.

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MrShaman

Aug-31-13 6:32 AM

Absolutely..."something positive", like...if you're gonna use slave-labor...make SURE they're too-young-to-VOTE!!! -Shaman

LoL Shaman you are so predictable!" - Capricorn1

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Actually, it's merely a parlor-trick...dependent-upon "conservative"-redundancy.

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MrShaman

Aug-31-13 6:28 AM

"...regarding inmates cleaning our roadways and there have been a variety of "excuses" as to why they don't, as I'm sure you will see in today's comments by folks like Shaman. Slave labor will be one I'm sure we'll see." - Capricorn1

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Yeah...I guess we "radicals" are still overly-sensitive about (some) "traditional values".

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See:

Slavery in the Bible

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Capricorn1

Aug-31-13 6:23 AM

Absolutely..."something positive", like...if you're gonna use slave-labor...make SURE they're too-young-to-VOTE!!! -Shaman

LoL Shaman you are so predictable!

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