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Who’s paying?

September 1, 2013

Who's paying the taxes on the rental properties, the mayor? City Council, crime watches, codes? Laws are already on the books for actions, unbecoming, unacceptable behaviors....

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USABorn

Sep-01-13 1:43 AM

"Who's paying the taxes on the rental properties, the mayor? City Council, crime watches, codes?"

"Who pays for all that protection? The homeowners, landlords, our taxes! one! The landlords should be thanked, in my mind, at least they pay their share! Get off their backs!"

Mr. Kelley:

Your letter has been nothing more than a rant about YOU paying property taxes as a landlord. YOU haven't paid a penny in property taxes as a landlord. YOUR RENTERS HAVE PAID THEM.

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mikekerstetter

Sep-01-13 4:42 AM

USABorn-"Mr. Kelley: Your letter has been nothing more than a rant about YOU paying property taxes as a landlord. YOU haven't paid a penny in property taxes as a landlord. YOUR RENTERS HAVE PAID THEM."

Maybe it IS a rant about him paying property taxes..... but if you suggest that the renters pay the property tax (and I do believe that the taxes are paid from the rents collected) do you also assume that the government pays your property tax if you are retired or that your employer pays them if you are working?

If not, why not?

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CarlHiller

Sep-01-13 7:13 AM

""Who's paying the taxes on the rental properties,"? Your tenants do with the paying of rent. If your tenants stiff you on the rent maybe you should research their references better. There are very few landlords who provide any gainful employment, so I don't need to thank you for that. If you are a good landlord taking seriously your responsibility to rent to people who are not public nuisances by doing a little research before renting to them, then you probably have good tenants. It takes very little time, effort and money to find out if you are renting to those who have a proclivity to crime, don't pay their debts or who are just nuisances. Quit your whining and clean up the trash. Why should taxpayers in not only Williamsport, but also surrounding communities have to put up with the trash that many of you landlords allow?

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streetmachine

Sep-01-13 7:45 AM

he is landlord who is speaking his piece

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ArtFold

Sep-01-13 8:09 AM

To Francis Kelly; Are you a landlord? I don't know that you are.

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fromtheport

Sep-01-13 12:14 PM

Landlords also pay a 1% mercantile tax on rents to the city.

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Linhk48

Sep-01-13 12:30 PM

My comment was going to be exactly the same points Carl Hiller and USABorn wrote, but Carl said it much more eloquently than I probably could.

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Linhk48

Sep-01-13 12:31 PM

Mikekerstetter----do you also see apples and oranges as identical?

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mikekerstetter

Sep-01-13 4:12 PM

Carl, landlords provide a service, much like rental businesses do. They employ themselves, it's how they make their money. Since when does employing people define whether one is in business? I know a lot of self employed people who are in business for themselves who would disagree with you premise. Real estate rental is just as legitimate a business as any other.

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mikekerstetter

Sep-01-13 4:17 PM

Linhk48-"Mikekerstetter----do you also see apples and oranges as identical?"

Since the real estate business is, indeed, a business, real estate taxes are a part of the business expense, which are paid from the rent paid by the person renting the property. The rent is considered income. If you assert that the renter is paying the taxes because he is paying the rent on the property, you also must accept the fact that you employer is paying your taxes because that is where you are getting the money to pay them. It's a really simple concept.

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rmiller

Sep-01-13 5:23 PM

Mr. Kelly,

Good landlords/bad landlords. Good tenants/bad tenants. You ask who should pay the fare? Perhaps if landlords did their share of taking care of their properties, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

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nobud74

Sep-01-13 5:54 PM

Great point Mike. But, you are wasting your time trying to get that point across. It is the same as the shoe store that pays taxes. The taxes are paid from the revenue of selling shoes.

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MimLogue

Sep-01-13 6:37 PM

These guys consider landlords The lowest form of humanity, they must have all been put out on the street by a landlord when they were young uns.NO clue, Try running maintenance on one home owned taken care of property? now try taking care of several where tenants who r young and yes "stupid" damage your buildings over and over, now blame it on your crystal ball.these guys are a rip!!

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MimLogue

Sep-01-13 6:40 PM

I ridethru my blue collar neighborhoods, I beep at lots of people between High street , 4th , Hepburn and Newberry , I know a lot of people who live there, TRADESMAN blocks, we have 50 plus police, I suggest these police get out of their cars and get to know their blocks Assign a block or 2 to each cop , why not?? Knowing who is good or trouble would stop profiling. and eliminate fear.Iam in williamsport everyday for 20 years in these working class neighborhoods and my perception is a lot different because i know my neighbors, looks can be deceiving.

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MimLogue

Sep-01-13 6:42 PM

Landlords pay most of the taxes in this town It is a bill we pay it and we dont even get a can of paint for it. but we do at least get police protection, the school taxes a are a total joke.

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MimLogue

Sep-01-13 6:50 PM

usa born I want to tell you my renters pay the rent for the privilege of having a roof and flushing toilet working heat, and plumbing nice soft carpet and a clean painted living area on top of this you want me to pay the mortgage the flood and fire insurance and then eak out the taxes too. We must be really good at what we do! thank you for pointing that out to all, Landlords are heroes, actually most small mom and pop landlords have a full time job or business which helps support their rentals

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MimLogue

Sep-01-13 6:52 PM

oh yeah and dont forget the thousands in water bills we get stuck with

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USABorn

Sep-01-13 8:23 PM

mikekerstetter - 4:42 AM "do you also assume that the government pays your property tax if you are retired or that your employer pays them if you are working?"

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USABorn

Sep-01-13 8:23 PM

mikekerstetter - 4:42 AM "do you also assume that the government pays your property tax if you are retired or that your employer pays them if you are working?"

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USABorn

Sep-01-13 8:25 PM

Sorry, nefore I could add my comment, the page refreshed!

Mike....That sure isn't one of the brightest things you have said lately! How you could even come up with that question based on my comment, is ludicrous!

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USABorn

Sep-01-13 8:29 PM

mikekerstetter - 4:17 PM "If you assert that the renter is paying the taxes because he is paying the rent on the property, you also must accept the fact that you employer is paying your taxes because that is where you are getting the money to pay them. It's a really simple concept."

A simple concept? Only in the mind of a simpleton!

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rmiller

Sep-01-13 11:18 PM

Mimi,

I have a landlord, whose name won't be mentioned. When we moved in, the rental agreement was for him to mow the lawn, and take care of the obvious other responsibilities a landlord should do. My husband, mows the law (and it's a biggie, we buy the gas for it, my husband has spent hours landscaping the property, along with our own money, we have made physical repairs to the property, out of pocket, and general improvements that we won't take with us when we leave. You are speaking as if tenants are the lowest form of life on earth. He has not once, in three years even said, Thank you, I appreciate things you do, common courtesy. These people own several properties around this town. So, please tell me, who's picking up our trash?

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Linhk48

Sep-02-13 12:55 AM

WOW mimlogue! It sure sounds like being a landloard, in your case, is a huge responsibility, thankless, a lot of hard work, irritating and apparently very expensive.

So, why do you do it? Why do you buy more properties instead of just getting rid of the ones you have and eliminating all the stress, expense and work that you constantly complain about??????

BTW--some definitions for you:

hero--a person, typically a man, who is admired or idealized for courage, outstanding achievements, or noble qualities

landlord--A real estate owner who rents or leases land or a building to another party, known as a tenant

No similarities in those 2 words!

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Linhk48

Sep-02-13 12:57 AM

OOPS---that should be 'landlord' Guess I hit that 'a' by mistake

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mikekerstetter

Sep-02-13 5:44 AM

USABorn,

It really is a simple concept. A landlord is in business to make money. The way they make money is by buying houses, (many times) fixing them up and renting them. The renter pays for the right to live in the home and use the property. It's a business. Part of the expense of any business that owns property is paying property taxes. So, yeah, the landlord taxes money out of their earnings from running that business and pays their property taxes.

If you work, your earnings come from your employer. If retired, from SS and/or pension. If you own property you pay the property taxes out of your earnings.

So, if you claim that the renter is paying the property tax on a rental property because the landlord is using the earnings off that property to pay them, you also have to realize that the same is true of your employer or the government, because that is where you are getting your earnings. It's either one way or the other, not both.

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