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September 4, 2013

Our "hero" servicemen who returned home in the 60's and 70's were treated poorly. So much so that we put our uniforms in the closet....

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MrShaman

Sep-04-13 9:51 PM

JEEZ!!!!

Viet Nam a Television History 1, The Roots of War 2

Viet Nam a Television History 1, The Roots of War 3

Viet Nam a Television History 1, The Roots of War 4

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MrShaman

Sep-04-13 9:49 PM

That ended-up kind o' crowded.

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Viet Nam a Television History 1, The Roots of War 2 * Viet Nam a Television History 1, The Roots of War 3 * Viet Nam a Television History 1, The Roots of War 4

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MrShaman

Sep-04-13 9:46 PM

"Not true enigma, Truman (a democrate)sent aid to the French but Eisenhower got us in. They sent "advisers" to scope it out so to speak. What a stupid wasted war." - rick424

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I never saw Eisenhower doing much-more than continuing Truman's momentum. It was Kennedy (in '61) who'd sent-in the (first) "official" advisers. I've got the Grit (front-page), from when it was first announced.

Here's a pretty-convenient (for viewing) timeline, for you...all at YouTube:

Viet Nam a Television History 1, The Roots of War 2 * Viet Nam a Television History 1, The Roots of War 3 * Viet Nam a Television History 1, The Roots of War 4

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MrShaman

Sep-04-13 9:36 PM

"In Iraq, the goal was to deny Al-Qaeda access to WMDs." - enigma

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B.S.!!!!!!! The DICK; Cheney had gambled on the fact...if Saddan Hussein was overthrown, and-and-all oil-contracts (with other countries) would be NULL-AND-VOID...because there'd BE no Hussein-government, that'd SIGNED the original-contracts. WE'D own the oil, by DEFAULT!!

How comical, when Iraq decided (instead) to AUCTION-OFF future drilling/operational rights, instead of letting Cheney/Halliburton hu$tle THEM!!

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MrShaman

Sep-04-13 9:29 PM

"Sham, You do know that it was two Democrat Presidents that got us into Viet Nam, don't you? You talk like it was Nixon." - enigma

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I've NEVER said that!! Your illiteracy is showing. It was TRUMAN who'd (first) gotten us into an OFFENSIVE-position, in 'Nam...we he thought it was "best" to support/finance the French-colonists...rather than accepting Vietnam an an independent-Country, after WWII.

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See (or, get some little neighborhood kiddie to show you how):

Vietnam Veterans Against the War: History of the U.S. War in Vietnam

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MrShaman

Sep-04-13 9:21 PM

Whatta shame you missed the Cold War...back, when WE hid our weapons & military...because o' the Soviet threat. -Shaman

Actually I served during the cold war and you don't have a clue." - Capricorn1

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Then, you KNOW people AREN'T "hiding their weapons", when there's a perceived threat!!!

Besides, the Cold War was the greatest sales-and-marketing scam the U.S. defense-industry had EVER perpetuated, in this Country!!!

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MrShaman

Sep-04-13 9:16 PM

"Our "hero" servicemen who returned home in the 60's and 70's were treated poorly. So much so that we put our uniforms in the closet. Anyone who thinks that the current "Support Our Troops" movement will last is mistaken. The same protestors then are in control.

These antimilitarists are in the process now of reversing their outward support for our troops. There is little room in my heart for these persons, then and now. I pray for them, although, not publicly." - Jude Richardson

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Here ya' go, "wiseguy". How much truth can you handle?? The ONLY people who'd treated servicemen, poorly, during 'Nam, was THE U.S. MILITARY!!!!!

I just finished watching this (on POV; PBS), and it'll be re-running tomorrow (Thursday), at 8:00am & 12:pm : "The Most Dangerous Man In America: Daniel Ellsberg And The Pentagon Papers".

Do yourself a HUGE favor, and watch it!! You're (STILL) fighting the WRONG PEOPLE!!!

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rick424

Sep-04-13 9:14 PM

Tell him thanks Bornhere, I did not know that.

Richardson I googled that but did not see anything about our campuses outlawing speech.

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Scott36

Sep-04-13 8:44 PM

. It's against Mexican law.-enigma This I did not know, thanks for the info. As to the northern boarder, it is roughly twice as long. If it is security you are concerned about, not that I am not, trouble can come in from some of those remote areas just as fast. If you really want to stop the Mexicans from entering, cut off their jobs. Just my opinion.

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enigma

Sep-04-13 7:10 PM

Hi Scott, Another place where we mostly agree. About the fence. As long as there are ways that U.S. citizens can pass back and forth without being hassled, the fence is not a problem. If it were ever used to keep us in, that would be a problem, but if it ever comes to that they will build a bigger and better fence than the one that is supposed to be in place now. To me it is not the fence, but the purpose that I care about. Since the fence is intended to protect this country, I say build it. Canada is not nearly the problem, because they have better immigration control than either Mexico or the U.S. There have been a few illegals coming over that border and we should stop as much of that as we can, but right now the huge problem is to the south. My thinking on this is that we don't have a "broken immigration system", what we have is a lack of will to enforce it. BTW Scott, You already can't cross the border wherever you chose. It's against Mexican law.

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BornHere

Sep-04-13 7:01 PM

Hey rick....my husband wanted me to tell you just in case you didn't know that the first American casualty in Viet Nam happened in 1957.

His name was Harry Cramer, from Johnstown, Pa. he was there doing covert ops when he was shot.

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Scott36

Sep-04-13 6:19 PM

Why have a border patrol at all if we aren't going to enforce immigration and customs laws? -Capricorn1

We are in complete agreement on this. However(I also have crossed the border with no difficulty) It is a symbolic thing with me, "fencing us in" if you will. It is not something that keeps me awake at night, but to me it does seem to go counter to what this country was founded on. This is America, land of the free, & all that good stuff.(and there is a lot of good things to be very thankful for.) Where is your concern for our northern boarder?(3,987 miles long) Is there not a risk there also?

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Capricorn1

Sep-04-13 5:20 PM

"To myself, it is symbolic, not being able to cross out of my own country wherever I should choose." -Scott

Scott, the U.S. and México share 2000 miles of border, about a third of that is already fenced. I have been to the southern border many times at San Diego and Arizona where they have strict border security and fencing and had no problems crossing into México any time I wanted to. Using the reason of not being able to cross anywhere you want as an excuse is kind of lame. I'm more concerned about the security of this nation and the crossing of billions of dollars in drugs than I am people having to cross at designated crossings. You have to go through much tighter security when entering and leaving this country at airports and our other borders should be no different. Why have a border patrol at all if we aren't going to enforce immigration and customs laws?

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Scott36

Sep-04-13 5:02 PM

If all of that is true, and for all I know it may be, that would help explain why Boehner and some of the other Republicans are on board with these strikes. Money talks, right? -djzlucky

With natural gas in the mix, it could be a little closer to home than it would appear at first glance.

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Scott36

Sep-04-13 4:59 PM

Bobbie2 In regards to your 10:55 post, it would indeed appear that some American interests are at stake. Good Post!

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Shulski

Sep-04-13 4:47 PM

The greatest dishonor to the troops is committed by the right-wing and corporate left-wing media when they portray the loss of lives in Benghazi as more than the troops lost in Afghanistan. It's the greatest failure of democracy no one talks about.

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Scott36

Sep-04-13 4:46 PM

This letter is ridiculous.-djzlucky

Ridiculous-Yes Red Meat- most definitely! But hey at least its not bordering on being xrated, or a chain letter.

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Scott36

Sep-04-13 4:42 PM

You actually think that building a fence at our border will keep Americans imprisoned in this country.-Capricorn1

So let me understand this, it will keep Mexicans out, but not keep Americans in?? To myself, it is symbolic, not being able to cross out of my own country wherever I should choose. Imagine that, our own little "iron curtain". RR says "tear down that wall", conservatives say build one. Go figure.

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Scott36

Sep-04-13 4:11 PM

Conservatives woke up and formed the Tea Party because the Republican establishment was not performing as they promised.-Eriklatranyi

But you still need to stay latched on to them. Where are all of these convictions of standing on your own?? Oh, BTW, I am still looking forward to your response to my question on the other thread. Or do your "principles" prohibit you from responding?

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djzlucky

Sep-04-13 3:56 PM

Richardson, huh??

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richardson

Sep-04-13 3:26 PM

Rick: Try Google; Support our Troops: Opposition to.

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richardson

Sep-04-13 3:21 PM

djz: I've reviewed my letter several times: The content of the 1st 2 paragraphs is what I am talking about. "Of note" paragraph 3 contains an extra thought. I find it interesting how clear history is after the fact. Never mind that history is often distorted by writers to fit particular agendas and perceptions. I have lived and had interest, often direct interest, in the "Cold War", from Korea through almost the end of Vietnam. If you don't think that both Russia and China were our enemies you are dead wrong.

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rick424

Sep-04-13 3:03 PM

You know once you send advisers in your in, Eisenhower is credited for getting us in to the that war. Kennedy and Johnson certainly did not help matters. I voted for Nixon because he said he would get us out. By the way I agree with you on Syria so mark that one in the record books.

Now I am trying to figure out Richardson's comment " address moves underway on our campuses to outlaw speech " Maybe you can explain that one please

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djzlucky

Sep-04-13 2:54 PM

"My letter was to address moves underway on our campuses to outlaw speech and posters that honor our veterans."

Richardson, why didn't you just say that in your letter? Instead, your mumble-jumbled mess of a letter left us all so confused that we had to create our own conclusions/comments.

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enigma

Sep-04-13 2:53 PM

rick424, What you say is true, but it was JFK who sent the first combat troops. It's a lot easier to pull out advisers than it is combat troops.

Also, it is a fallacy that war is good for the economy. It might make money move around, but everything is consumed in the war effort and not by the people (remember WWII and rationing) The money that is moving around is mostly if not entirely borrowed or created out of thin air, which harms the economy down the road. War is a bad deal all around and should only be entered into when the alternative is worse.

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