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"CMReeder, Try Systematic Theology by Grudem."
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rmiller, thank you for taking the time to explain this to me and you will not get a disagree from me about "organized religion", I've said for many years that church's are ran more like a business then for their intended purpose.
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CMReeder, Try Systematic Theology by Grudem.
I get frustrated at organized religion, because it has done more to destroy the work of the Lord than the combined efforts of all the atheists/agnostics since time began. I'm going to take a hit on this one, too. I'm guessing that the few believers that post here, however will support my last statement and they won't wonder why I made it, either.
Or, the why or why not He is/does/shares who He is, to enable us to wrap our heads around Him.
Those not wanting to accept Him, throw the most ludicrous questions and statements about Him, because they don't know Him. I keep repeating this, but it is a lesson I try to share with others, a lesson that has taken me a lifetime to learn. When man fails me, I look to God and ask why. When in reality, the only perfection I can expect is from Him, we are too frail. Also, if we conclude that there is no God, based on circumstances, then again...we are back to the God exists if all is well with the world mindset.
You see, an all knowing God knew someday man would sin. He knew He would go to the cross some day. But, once He created man and woman, He also wanted them to have free will to love Him or not. He doesn't need our love, He wants it.
He doesn't demand obedience, but life is easier on all of us, when we obey any authority (take this from a parent's perspective or the last time you had to show your driver's license and reg.) :)
The Bible gives us what He wanted us to know and His Word is so full, that it cannot be exhausted.
For centuries, man has worshipped some type of god (little g) because He put it in our hearts to worship. There are so many dynamics that play out throughout Scriptures and it saddens me that so many people are lost because they have looked to man for explanations that God has either already revealed to us, through His Word the why or why not something doesn't work.
It is easy to look into the vast universe and nature and the goodness in life, and believe there is a God.
It is difficult to look at the world however and the faults, frailties, dangers, perils, hurt and pain that humans suffer and question that there is a God.
As Christians, we struggle with the concept of "God, are you there?" People think that we don't and the reality is the closer we do get to Him, the more the enemy pounces on our lives. People also have this misconception that God does the evil things or at minimum, allows them to occur. God has given s a t a n rule over the powers of the air, to include acts of nature/people. Why? Sin. s a t a n tempted Eve, not God. Again, God who is all powerful and all knowing could have prevented all pain of life, but He didn't. Again, He didn't need anything. s a t a n was the highest and most beautiful angel in heaven at one time, but he wanted to "be like the most high."
God does not tell us everything truth be told, our minds (finite) could not grasp the infinite mind of God, even if He did.
Perhaps if you looked at the difference in "accept" and understand. Obviously, the word accept is a word we all struggle with, we are humans and that goes back to the fall of man. It is in the "sinful" nature of man to resist authority (some more or less). "Accepting" there is a God is still a choice, but accepting Him as Lord in our lives requires commitment and obedience. That obedience is what rears its head both here on these discussions, and around the world. God doesn't want robots, He didn't make us robots. Understanding Him, however..the older I'm getting, is becoming clearer and clearer as I look at the world around me.
As Scott as said, it is nice to know there is someone who ultimately is and always is in control, despite what we think.
" I still have many questions that can not be answered so you learn to "accept". "
I'm going out on a limb here, but it won't be the first time and it won't be the last. God is still working on me with respect to my approach on the runways...if you will...that make all the difference how the plane lands :)
Catholicism leaves many questions unanswered. It saddens me too because when I hear stories from Catholics that have turned to Christianity (in truth - not wanna be Christians) they are "hungry" for more. I've had occasion in my life to attend a few ceremonial services (through family) in Catholic Churches. I was surprised that Bibles were not in use, by the congregation, rather the priests. We have a man in our church who was born and raised Catholic. He is 92 and he's been saved for over thirty some years now. He said there was so much he never knew.
First you tell me there is no 'and' and now you want me to add a second one.
rmiller, your comment "some things are simply not for us to know", rather accept, that was the same thing that the Sister's would say to us.
The Mass when I went to school was said in Latin, so of course we had to learn Latin to know the words of the Mass, and lets not forget Bible School in the summers, and till this day I still have many questions that can not be answered so you learn to "accept".
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rmiller- again some very good thoughts. I choose to be very brief discussing my thoughts & beliefs on an open forum such as this. I will leave you with this one tiny thought. It is a comfort to me to know that there is something far greater than man.
Absolutely, three persons, one God. I've been a Christian for years and it is perhaps the most mind boggling concept. Study in the Bible helps, but I don't believe we will ever fully wrap our minds around that, including in heaven. Some things are simply not for us to "know", rather accept.
I was taught in school, God the Father, God the Son and the Holy Spirit.
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"One is the Father and one is the Son. There is an 'and'. "
Soooooo???? The other "and"???
If the individual is a Christian (in truth) God will hear that prayer. If God heals a person it is His will, not because of the prayer of a sinner requesting something they have no right to do. Without being saved, we have no right to come before the throne of God, period. We are not an heir to His Kingdom. It's liken unto if one of us knocked on the door of a wealthy/famous person asking to see him/her. That person won't answer the door because they have no knowledge of you (not a personal "you").
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Good morning Spike,
"If religion is a personal relationship with "God", keep it personal."
God doesn't want we believers to keep it personal, because He doesn't belong to just one "person."
"I am not going to tell you what is or isn't in my dresser drawers and I am not going to tell you what I do or don't believe."
And, that is your right.
"Some of us believe the Bible is the written word of God, others believe it is a novel written by a people who had a limited view and understanding of the world."
Somewhere there is an implication that the writers (not author) of the Bible, were not under the inspiration of God and that it is His view that is skewed.
"Some people believe prayer cures illnesses."
God does not hear the prayers of sinners, until the one made to Him asking His forgiveness for sin and acceptance of Him being their Savior. I am often saddened by the phrase, "My, our, prayers are with you."
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"There isn't an "and", they are one in the same."
One is the Father and one is the Son. There is an 'and'.
If religion is a personal relationship with "God", keep it personal. I am not going to tell you what is or isn't in my dresser drawers and I am not going to tell you what I do or don't believe. I don't believe that we should judge anyone on their belief or lack thereof. Some of us believe the Bible is the written word of God, others believe it is a novel written by a people who had a limited view and understanding of the world. Some people believe prayer cures illnesses others prefer to believe in medicine and science. This is an effort in futility by all.
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He is either allowing this to happen so that man will turn back to Him, or we truly are living the last days and He is coming back. The question here and before countless times to many of you is where do you stand before Him?
"BTW, I am a sinner, and freely recognize & admit it."
We are all sinners, mankind. But, just as there are fines and or imprisonments for broken laws, there is a penalty for the laws we break here. And, even if one were to get through life with only committing one sin, that individual, before God is still guilty and the sin payment must be made. I don't serve Him because I fear Him (outside of the reverential fear which is a different topic) I serve Him because I love Him. And, I didn't love Him first, He loved me first. I really don't understand where some of you get your concept of who God really is/isn't. Looking to man will dull your vision, your hopes and rob you of an eternity in peace. Just take a look around the world. Hate escalates by the hour and don't put it on Christ. The further we push God out of the arena, the worse things are getting.
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"IMO, almost all religions have been used to manipulate people. For some it is a "religion of convenience", rather than a religion of belief, or convictions.-Scott "
Please know, that I agree with your thoughts. If I was a religious person, your statement would hold merit. I'm not religious. It was the religious leaders during the ministry of Christ here on earth, that He got most angry with.
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" I think they are the ones that will have to explain themselves on judgement day."
So....does that mean you believe there is going to be a judgment day?
"I can't believe" suggests that something/someone is attempting to prevent you from doing so? But, you can believe. Hopefully, your lack of faith in an eternal God with a purpose for your life, doesn't stem from a "Christian" who disappointed you. We fail, every day...I hate it when I do.
May I ask you what your definition of a Christian is? I'm truly curious.
"He's also DEAD...despite what the clerics tell you."
And, you know this, how?
" If I was the best reason to be a Christian, even I wouldn't be one. "
Actually, that should be my line. :)
I'm sorry that I misunderstood you. One cannot get a grasp of a person by a post, it is nice to have the eye contact..so, I'm sorry. I do appreciate your efforts, however as another believer. It's a blessing to have someone come along side sometimes.....God will use people often for encouragement.
"I believe in God and I believe in Jesus Christ."
There isn't an "and", they are one in the same.
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