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It is everywhere!

September 5, 2013

What is it? It is disrespect for another property. Mr. Mark Weisel wrote in his letter, 'What I'm zoned for", the continued vandalism of his property in the city of Williamsport....

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Tedeaux

Sep-05-13 2:29 AM

That last line about "property" kind of sounded familiar. Was that straight out of the American Communist Party manifesto Comrade Reeder?

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mikekerstetter

Sep-05-13 3:30 AM

Yep, that's the liberal belief system. Everyone has a right to share in other peoples property. That's why social programs are so prevalent among their proposed solutions to everything. Take from the rich to ______ (fill in the blank) is how they propose to solve every social ill. Sorry, Chuck. You have no rights to other peoples property.

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Tgrammiex4

Sep-05-13 4:52 AM

Maybe the city should hire a dozen extra officers to enforce Litter Laws.Maybe a few drug dealers could be taken off the street in the process.( for Libbies- I AM BEING SARCASTIC!)LOL

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fromtheport

Sep-05-13 5:38 AM

Charles, I get dumber everytime I read one of your letters.

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gavinf56

Sep-05-13 5:41 AM

"We all have respect for our property but does it extend beyond that?" - Charles M. Reeder

For me, my family, and many people I know and associate with personally, yes it does.

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CarlHiller

Sep-05-13 5:54 AM

I agree Tedeaux. I believe Chuckie has finally come out of the closet. "Property is not just an individual right; it is a shared right by all individuals. Sometimes I think we forget that." Drunk on the spiked kool-aid again Chuckie? To own property is an individual right nut a shared right. You have the right to own property individually or in conjunction with a group, only then making it a shared right among the group.

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Capricorn1

Sep-05-13 6:02 AM

"Property is not just an individual right; it is a shared right by all individuals. Sometimes I think we forget that."

This is the exact thinking of the administration with the new Affirmatively Furthering Fair Housing initiative. It's no longer your property, it's the property of all and government has the right to dictate who you are required to rent to.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Sep-05-13 6:26 AM

"Property is not just an individual right; it is a shared right by all individuals. Sometimes I think we forget that."--CMReeder

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I guess that the first time through, I felt the CMReeder meant [Public property doesn't give people the right to treat it as their own and litter on it. Public property is used by all and should be respected as others' property.]

I realize that some of his examples are privately owned [business/organization owned] property, like a parking lot or maybe a fair grounds or some recreational areas but the the question comes up.....Why do some individuals think they have the right to throw their trash on property that is not owned by them?

Keep your d a m n trash on your own private property if you want to exercise your rights.

With this interpretation, CMReeder, I'm in. Good letter.

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eriklatranyi

Sep-05-13 6:38 AM

If property is shared by all, then littering is OK, because all will pay for its cleanup.

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Capricorn1

Sep-05-13 6:56 AM

Texas, I'm in also now that you co-authored the letter so that it makes more sense. Good letter Chuck and Texas.

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spike2

Sep-05-13 7:30 AM

I don't think the point was we communally own property. The point is we communally enjoy property. We all admire well kept property and we all are appalled by littered, unkempt property. this letter had absolutely nothing to do with housing, communism or any other side trail. In my opinion everyone is on a Liberal/Conservative overload. Isn't the balance having individual rights and doing some things for the common good? Go one way or the other in total and all will collapse. Each extreme is as dangerous as the other.

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Capricorn1

Sep-05-13 7:48 AM

You will never completely eliminate littering. Too many people have a total lack of respect for themselves and others. The only way to control it, is for everyone to keep their own property clean. As far as public property, I see no reason why this can't be done as part or community service. Many violators owe thousands of dollars in fines that the county will probably never see. Why not allow them to work their fines off through community service. Paying county and city workers to clean up public property is an expense we can no longer afford.

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SteelerFan

Sep-05-13 8:20 AM

Let's stop trying to get inside Chuckie's head. It's a dark and dreary place. He must have an abnormal amount of free time these days with all of his 'pithy' LTE's.

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msamerica101

Sep-05-13 8:50 AM

Good letter. My question is when did the respect for "our" property, the Earth, etc. completely get lost and abandoned.

I never really see the litter bugs in action but I see the result of it when I drive down the highway or walk the streets of Williamsport.

I think it goes back to the basics that parents need to teach their children respect for our land.

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rmiller

Sep-05-13 8:57 AM

The early fathers of Socialism would be proud, Chuck?

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enigma

Sep-05-13 8:57 AM

Didn't Chuck tell us in a letter just last week that Mark's letter would make his home impossible to sell? And now he's telling us that what's happening to Mark happens to everybody. So Chuck, why will his home be hard to sell if it is no different than what happens everywhere. Chuck has a very rare disorder in which all of his multiple personalities have the same name.

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underwood

Sep-05-13 9:02 AM

That’s a good letter, except for the last paragraph, which needs to be elaborated on a bit.

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enigma

Sep-05-13 9:07 AM

"Property is not just an individual right; it is a shared right by all individuals."--Chuck

There are no shared rights. Rights are by definition and necessity individual. The only sense in which they are shared is that we either all have them or no one has them, but each right is an individual right. Shared rights is a Progressive illusion created to get sheep like Chuck to sacrifice the rights of others in order to protect the rights of a group. Don't believe it? Have you ever heard anyone complain about having "our shared rights" violated? No, it's always "my rights" that were violated. Shared rights are not rights at all.

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enigma

Sep-05-13 9:14 AM

"Isn't the balance having individual rights and doing some things for the common good?"--Spike2

Actually, I agree with that. The problem is that with individual rights is the right to not do things for the common good. They need to be done out of a sense of duty. Rights can only exist in an environment where people have a strong sense of responsibility. We need to teach that, because if we lose our sense of responsibility, we will lose our individual rights.

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JohnZook

Sep-05-13 9:24 AM

Yep, it's all about "respect". But nobody teaches respect anymore. It's all about me, me, me. That's what America teaches it's children. "I'm too special"; that's what my teacher and my parents always tell me. What a world........

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djzlucky

Sep-05-13 9:50 AM

Cap, I was curious about this "Affirmatively Furthering Fair Housing" you've mentioned a few times now on different posts.

I'm not sure where you're getting your info, but the only way this could possibly affect personal property is if the property owner was involved in a HUD program (which really means "is a Section 8 landlord"). Those property owners already have to strictly comply with the Fair Housing Act.

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Scott36

Sep-05-13 10:13 AM

Sorry, Chuck. You have no rights to other peoples property.-mikekerstetter From the Pa. Constitution:

Natural Resources and the Public Estate Section 27.

The people have a right to clean air, pure water, and to the preservation of the natural, scenic, historic and esthetic values of the environment. Pennsylvania's public natural resources are the common property of all the people, including generations yet to come. As trustee of these resources, the Commonwealth shall conserve and maintain them for the benefit of all the people.

I personally consider litter to be in violation of Section 27. No matter who's property it is on.

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BornHere

Sep-05-13 10:24 AM

Good letter Mr. Reeder. Native Americans have a saying about pollution, "Treat the earth well. It was not given to you by your parents, it was loaned to you by your children".

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CaveFelem

Sep-05-13 10:26 AM

If we all share property, great. I'll be expecting everyone to shell out a buck or 2 toward my property tax bill.

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Scott36

Sep-05-13 11:21 AM

Cavefelem, Oh come-on, put it back in perspective. To property taxes, don't pay them & see how long you still own your property.

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