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Confused councilman

September 8, 2013

Once again the Williamsport rental ordinance is under pressure from individuals including at least some on City Council that are misinformed....

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MimLogue

Sep-22-13 8:37 AM

my neighbor a home owner occupied is one of many below High street that is a 150k house its value is probably below that although they are rising? 90k they could get easy. i am working on one right now between memorial and park/we are upgrading the whole property , ?things are changing

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spike2

Sep-09-13 7:13 PM

Mim - certain areas are in fact in decline. If you don't upgrade the properties and the tenants, nothing will change. I assume the 150,00 dollar house on 3rd Ave is N of High? There is absolutely nothing south worth more than 50 even using the rental approach. At 50,000 another 30,000 at the minimum would be required in upgrades.

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Scott36

Sep-08-13 4:07 PM

Just a question; Is not holding landlords accountable to whom they rent, akin to holding gun manufactures accountable to whom they sell to? For the record, I personally am against both.

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MimLogue

Sep-08-13 3:56 PM

Spike no u are all about decline read your negativity

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MimLogue

Sep-08-13 3:55 PM

It may sound like i am being selfish when I say bring up property values because i am a landlord , I own a home next to a 150.000 dollar home on third ave, It probably would be appraised far below its actual value because of the area, a rise ni property values in these tradesman blcks would help everyone and utmost the tax assessor then the city with more revenue and more police for everyone.

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spike2

Sep-08-13 3:45 PM

Mim, I said it on another post. We aren't concerned with increasing your rental property value, that's your job. Every investment is not a winner and you may have picked an area prime for decline. When the blue-collar jobs go, so goes that neighborhood.

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spike2

Sep-08-13 3:43 PM

Underwood - none unless they are busted or you go in for an inspection (with 48 hours notice) and see or smell something. This is civil law, not criminal.The standard is much lower. The landlord has no motive to lie about a tenant who pays on time and lives within the conditions of the lease. If you evict, always make sure to make every effort to provide the former tenant with an itemized and verifiable list for damages if you hold the security. They are entitled to a a refund times 3 if you don't comply. Don't believe this, call a D.J. Most tenants are unaware and don't argue this.

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MimLogue

Sep-08-13 3:13 PM

How many properties does Tim Miller have in williamsport ?? what is his monetary stake there , If this ordinance of his brings down our values as even talking about it is doing what monetary loss does he risk?? This is a conspiracy to ruin our city so more poeple will want to move to other areas of the county bringing up their values and sinking the largest housing area in the county,

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MimLogue

Sep-08-13 1:38 PM

"10 ways to bring down your property value "mandatory registration, most people want to live in a free society,Less government is in vogue.Mandatory registering 13,000 rentals if gonna be more administration & expensive, after it is done and taxes raised, What if we have the same problems? someone at city hall golfs with said landlord or they are afraid to cite because of a lawsuit. We have nuisance ordinance, 3 strikes rule, &code violations of 1,000$ a day what happened to that law? we heard so much about during blighted review board days? How about More boots on the ground? Memorial ave loved officer mcgee

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JerryfromRI

Sep-08-13 1:35 PM

Have city leaders conceded that good old-fashioned police work will not address Williamsport's troubles?

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JerryfromRI

Sep-08-13 1:33 PM

If statics showed that a majority of perpetrators of crime in this city used a certain brand of cell phone, should the city force the retailers of that brand of cell phone to turn over and maintain a list of the users of those cell phones?

Renters are no different.

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USABorn

Sep-08-13 12:31 PM

CarlHiller - 6:07 AM

"we need to be able to hold landlords accountable for renting to individuals who allow drug activity to flourish in and around our neighborhoods."

From what I have read, a good place to start might be in public housing. And just how is the city going to manage prosecuting them?

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mikekerstetter

Sep-08-13 11:52 AM

CarlHiller-"Mike, All I ever see from you is excuses why something can't be done, you are becoming more like Hilf/Shammy everyday."

As opposed to the various conspiracy theories that you subscribe to?

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underwood

Sep-08-13 11:40 AM

I’ll yield to your personal experience and reasoning, spike. I was going by accounts I’d heard from others. One question: If a tenant is dealing drugs, but not from your property, what grounds would you have to evict him or her?

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spike2

Sep-08-13 10:32 AM

Underwood, wrong. I had 20+ units and eviction is not difficult. The lease is the important factor. It is very easy to accomplish. The expense is a drawback because you rarely recoup your costs but conversely ignoring situations allow the problem to escalate. A good front end investment is to have your lease agreements written by an attorney. They provide better conditions than a standard download lease. You don't prove breaking any law, you prove a violation of conditions of your lease.

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underwood

Sep-08-13 9:39 AM

Eviction is a long and difficult process. I’m sure a property owner would need to show significant proof that a tenant was breaking the law. If it was that easy, the tenant would be arrested and convicted long before eviction could be accomplished.

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spike2

Sep-08-13 9:12 AM

Drug dealers do not act like every other tenant. I agree a single home might be more difficult to recognize. Unless you are renting to criminals only detection in a multi-unit or double should be more easily accomplished.If your tenant is paying you $650.00 plus utilities and claims their girlfriend who has two kids and works at Burger King is paying the bills you should be suspicious. if your tenant is renting an average apartment, is unemployed and driving a $20,000 or greater vehicle, you should be suspicious. A landlord can't unilaterally enter an apartment but can be on the property anytime they chose. They own it. I doubt many landlords with appropriate tenants would need to spend much time doing this. Landlords need tight leases and should consider month to month if suspicious. his makes eviction less cumbersome than breaking a longer lease. You can evict for many things beside non-payment of rent.

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CarlHiller

Sep-08-13 9:12 AM

Mike, All I ever see from you is excuses why something can't be done, you are becoming more like Hilf/Shammy everyday. I never said to turn them into law enforcement officers, I've never stated that they need to "patrol", neither do I believe background checks will catch every dealer or criminal, but most assuredly it would limit it tremendously and Yes Mike they are the first line of defense. A landlord that continues to allow criminal activity to stem from his property is as guilty as the criminal. Can a landlord stop it all? NO! but they can control it. I get so tired of lame excuses for why it can't be done. underwood simply more excuses. Everyone is looking for the excuse as to why it cannot be done rather than why it has to be done. Nothing I have ever proposed infringes on anybody's rights. All I have ever stated is for the landlords to accept responsibility and do what any other business owner would do.

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underwood

Sep-08-13 8:41 AM

Other than a criminal record available to the property owner, there’s little he or she can do to weed out drug dealers. If neighborhood organizers and other advocates see anything they can claim is discrimination, the property owner would face that charge. We’re asking an awful lot of property owners.

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mikekerstetter

Sep-08-13 6:33 AM

I think it's ludicrous to expect landlords to 'patrol' to see what their tenants are doing. I'd go so far as to say that a landlord stalking (and that is what it really is) their tenants is an invasion of privacy. Landlords aren't law enforcement. Background checks do nothing to expose those who are dealing but haven't been caught yet. This is just another in a long line of foolish proposals that you have backed, Carl.

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CarlHiller

Sep-08-13 6:07 AM

"we need to be able to hold landlords accountable for renting to individuals who allow drug activity to flourish in and around our neighborhoods." I agree. It is the landlords responsibility to be the first line of defense. This is no different than a business that does shoddy work, or sells products that injure. This is a business with a responsibility to the community to make sure they take every necessary precaution so as not to be injurious to the community as a whole. I have stated numerous times it is very easy and very inexpensive to find out if you are renting to someone you know will pay their rent, not allow criminal activity and will take care of the property.

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