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Objective equal intelligent

September 11, 2013

Party partisans seem intent upon showing us how incapable they are of thinking objectively....

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SpineyRogue

Sep-12-13 11:27 AM

USABorn --

Putin is only the hero because of who he is being compared to.

Enough said?

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rmiller

Sep-11-13 10:37 PM

Phil,

I'd like to think that my four years in a liberal arts program taught my professor a lesson on his philosophical nonsense. He claimed to be objective. First day in class he announced there is no absolutes, which there are, but even if there wasn't, his comment was subjective. Just as he stated there is no God without any offer to disprove Him. Again, purely subjective commentary from a supposed objective individual.

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rmiller

Sep-11-13 10:32 PM

Phil,

Then I guess that would include 99% of the populace. The majority, regardless of their political persuasion, think along party lines when pulling the lever. People like to identify with something that fits, or they can wrap their heads around, somewhat. Of course, we get befouled most of the time, but that is either naivety of ignorance. Let's throw wisdom into the mix, which has little or nothing to do with either partisan line/intellect/subjectivity or objectivity.

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underwood

Sep-11-13 2:02 PM

IQ is a measure of intellectually capacity; it can be likened to the size of a container. A person’s IQ may be a gallon, but they may only use a quart of it.

There are people that learn a lot, but fail to understand what they know. I saw much of this as an Engineer. Often a back yard mechanic would do a better job of designing machinery than someone with a degree in Engineering.

Objectivity is important, as it’s the ability to grasp and apply reality to one’s thinking.

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underwood

Sep-11-13 1:47 PM

“I don't agree entirely with Phil. Extreme partisanship is not necessarily from a lack of intelligence, but can be a failure to exercise intelligence. To me that is even worse. Partisanship is more often a moral than an intellectual failure.”

Enigma, I think you clarified my point. I didn’t intend to imply party partisanship was due to a lack of intelligence, but that it shows a deficit of objectivity, which is a component of intelligence. You said it better than I did.

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KrazyK

Sep-11-13 1:17 PM

Phil, all your points are true regardless of your opponents' petty cherry-picking.

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USABorn

Sep-11-13 12:36 PM

eriklatranyi - 7:19 AM

"President Obama, Nobel Peace Prize winner, went to military strikes first and chose diplomacy only after his Secretary of State made a major gaffe in front of the world."

Ahhhhhh, come on erik.....Both Dumbama and his Secretary of State ARE walking, talking gaffe's.

I've been reading papers around the world, and Dumbama is a laughing stock in every country that has a paper on the internet in English. Kerry is considered a complete and totally worthless idiot, and Putin is being praised as saving the day!

Millions and millions of people around the globe have turned their backs on Dumbama, finally admitting he is all mouth and no brain.

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enigma

Sep-11-13 12:26 PM

CarlHiller, You confuse intelligence with knowledge. Intelligence is an innate ability to process information while knowledge is an accumulation of facts. Both can be measured, but intelligence is easier to measure reliably.

I don't agree entirely with Phil. Extreme partisanship is not necessarily from a lack of intelligence, but can be a failure to exercise intelligence. To me that is even worse. Partisanship is more often a moral than an intellectual failure.

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Capricorn1

Sep-11-13 12:18 PM

One thing IS for sure, intelligence does NOT equal common sense.

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enigma

Sep-11-13 12:13 PM

Chuck,"Is there a definitive and accurate way to measure intelligence?"

For yours, I'm thinking an electron microscope. For most people there are a variety of tests. While the results of these tests tend to vary, it isn't by much. I have taken a few different IQ tests and they all measure within a few points.

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CarlHiller

Sep-11-13 12:10 PM

"Is intelligence subjective or is it objective or is it both? Is there a definitive and accurate way to measure intelligence?" I believe in some, intelligence is a combination of both and in others it's either one or the other. I don't believe there is any objective way to measure intelligence having known too many supposed high IQ individuals who were dumber than a box of rocks and many with measurably lower IQ's that were smarter than the higher IQ's. Deciding who is intelligent and who isn't is an extremely subjective matter. One may be good with numbers and another may be good with mechanics, one may be good with words and another may be good at sports. All require knowledge, but are any more intelligent? Only in their respective topic of interest.

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underwood

Sep-11-13 9:39 AM

Vince, I define partisanship as mindlessly defending party policies and members as opposed to being willing to discuss ideology and proposals.

There are other ways to judge intelligence besides an IQ test. I based my observation on a comment by Marie Vos Savant, the person with the highest recorded IQ.

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CMReeder

Sep-11-13 9:06 AM

Is intelligence subjective or is it objective or is it both? Is there a definitive and accurate way to measure intelligence?

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gavinf56

Sep-11-13 8:53 AM

Wow, I hit 19 out of those 20 markers. The only one I missed was the politically liberal.

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SteelerFan

Sep-11-13 8:50 AM

Sham: 'I'd always assumed that's why Porky Limbaugh was (unofficially) CHOSEN as spokesman for the Republican Party...to SPEAK for the "intellectually deficient".'

Ta DAAAAA

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CMReeder

Sep-11-13 8:42 AM

Sorry Teenage not tennage, LOL

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CMReeder

Sep-11-13 8:40 AM

The 20 markers (indicators) are;

You use recreational drugs, You are politically LIBERAL, You are a monogamous male, You DON'T believe in God, You are the oldest child, Your Mom had really bad morning sickness, You were a tennage virgin, You come a family that is intelligent, Your Mom did not consume mercury-containing foods while pregnant with you, You don't smoke, You were breast fed, You took music lessons, You are NOT an avid texter, You are left handed, You are night owl, You are tall, You have blue eyes, You have a big brain, You are Internet savvy, and last You are skinny.

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CMReeder

Sep-11-13 8:32 AM

Business Insider did a report on various scientific research on intelligence and compiled a list of 20 markers that demonstrate you are smarter than average. Objectivity is not on the list.

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CMReeder

Sep-11-13 8:30 AM

Where is the objectiviity in the letter? If the letter has no objectivity can it be intelligent?

Just being objectionable does not count!

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gavinf56

Sep-11-13 8:00 AM

I think the correct question Cap, would be "How so?".

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Capricorn1

Sep-11-13 7:56 AM

The letter lacks objectivity and intelligence! -Reeder

Why?

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CMReeder

Sep-11-13 7:53 AM

Should that not be EQUALS not EQUAL in the title?

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CMReeder

Sep-11-13 7:34 AM

LOL

The letter lacks objectivity and intelligence!

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eriklatranyi

Sep-11-13 7:19 AM

Yes, watching some liberals defend President Obama's idea to attack Syria is a hilarious example of this partisanship over principles.

Conservatives broke with the GOP over expanding Medicare, Illegal Immigration and a number of other issues.

Liberals openly say they will not speak out or it might weaken the President.

Lastly, with regard to Syria......we are now looking at a diplomatic solution (that came about by a gaffe).

President Bush offered Sadaam Hussein the opportunity to turn over his chemical weapons before he threatened military action.

President Obama, Nobel Peace Prize winner, went to military strikes first and chose diplomacy only after his Secretary of State made a major gaffe in front of the world.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Sep-11-13 6:26 AM

"Being a party partisan clearly indicates an intellectual deficiency."--PhilUnderwood

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Intellectual deficiency implies reduced IQ, reasoning skills, or common sense. However, I think that party partisanship is more like Stockholm Syndrome.

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