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Obama kept one promise - to kill the coal industry

September 16, 2013

Back in 2008, then-candidate Barack Obama outlined his plan to wreck the coal industry and drive electricity prices up....

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MrShaman

Sep-18-13 5:44 AM

"Some" and "may have" are not the words one would use to describe a cause and effect relationship such as the one mentioned in the title of the editorial." - DavidBross

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...One MORE example of belief trumping (actual) knowledge...in our "brave, new ("conservative") World".

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DavidBross

Sep-16-13 4:43 PM

What bothers me about this editorial is that the lead example to support the main idea is not directly connected to the reason the power plant was scrapped. The author had to qualify their belief by saying, "Some of those challenges may have stemmed from the enormous amount of money spent to bring the plant into compliance with air pollution regulations." "Some" and "may have" are not the words one would use to describe a cause and effect relationship such as the one mentioned in the title of the editorial.

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MrShaman

Sep-16-13 3:06 PM

"Since he took office, President Barack Obama has been leading a war against mining and use of coal." - USABorn

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Fear, NOT!! His "War on coal" might be just the "cover" you "conservatives" need, to revive THE BUGGY-WHIP INDUSTRY!!!

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MrShaman

Sep-16-13 3:01 PM

"Coal-fired power plants are the most economical means of providing electricity. Many of the countries seeking help funding them do not have access to fuels such as natural gas. They cannot afford so-called "alternatives" such as solar and wind power.

And without World Bank help, these countries will not be able to build nearly as many coal-fired power plants.

That will mean millions, perhaps tens of millions, of poor people all over the globe will be denied access to reasonably priced power, because of the Obama administration's policies.

In turn, that will result in unnecessary misery - quite likely, sickness and even death." - USABorn

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Whatta shame you "conservatives" are more-adept at hypotheticals...than you are, regarding engineering...

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See:

It's Friday: Dean Kamen Unveils Dung-Powered Water And Electricity Generator

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rick424

Sep-16-13 2:32 PM

Never said I was against coal. I am against these ridiculous editorials that say coal is dead because of Obama. Can you believe they bleeped Shamokin Dam?

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Capricorn1

Sep-16-13 1:36 PM

So Rick, you are against coal, you are against the gas industry. Perhaps I should call Fred Flintstone and get advice on how to power and heat my home. ANY source of energy that makes this country energy independent should not be regulated out of existence.

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rick424

Sep-16-13 1:13 PM

Apparently KrazyK you can shop for your energy source. I just went to the PA Power Switch web site and there is a whole section on renewables. I believed as you did before, came from once big community source.

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MrShaman

Sep-16-13 1:08 PM

rick424. The power grid in this area is one large interconnected system encompassing all the states east of the Mississippi. It is fed primarily by coal, nuclear, & gas; with some smaller amounts from hydro and wind. The power coming into your house is a combination of all of the above; you cannot pick to have just wind energy supply your house." - KrazyK

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So....how much longer do we keep investing in dead-tech, like The Grid???

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See:

Why The U.S. Power Grid's Days Are Numbered

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USABorn

Sep-16-13 1:03 PM

For decades, leaders of the World Bank have recognized one of the surest ways to reduce poverty in developing countries is to help their residents obtain reasonably priced electricity. That farsighted philosophy appears to have been scrapped.

If the World Bank pursues the new strategy espoused by its president, American Jim Yong Kim, tens of millions of people in poor countries will suffer. It is not stretching the point to predict grinding poverty, of the type low-priced electricity can alleviate, will kill some of them unnecessarily.

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USABorn

Sep-16-13 1:02 PM

Since he took office, President Barack Obama has been leading a war against mining and use of coal. Now, he is taking it global. His campaign has become a world war.

Obama nominated Kim to become president of the World Bank last year. Because the institution is supported largely by money from U.S. taxpayers, its leadership traditionally has gone to Americans.

Kim has convinced World Bank directors to cut back severely on funding for coal-fired power plants in developing countries. That comes as no surprise; Obama was aware Kim shares his radical environmental agenda when he nominated him.

But the new World Bank policy will have devastating effects.

Coal Exports from the U.S. being one of them.

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KrazyK

Sep-16-13 1:00 PM

Coal is not dead. Go to Wyoming's Powder River Basin. Ten years ago most coal trains from the basin went east to the power plants; now just as many go west to the coastal export facilities. The coal industry's response to Obama was - If you won't let us burn it here, someone else will buy it.

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USABorn

Sep-16-13 12:59 PM

Coal-fired power plants are the most economical means of providing electricity. Many of the countries seeking help funding them do not have access to fuels such as natural gas. They cannot afford so-called "alternatives" such as solar and wind power.

And without World Bank help, these countries will not be able to build nearly as many coal-fired power plants.

That will mean millions, perhaps tens of millions, of poor people all over the globe will be denied access to reasonably priced power, because of the Obama administration's policies.

In turn, that will result in unnecessary misery - quite likely, sickness and even death.

Modern power plants of the type the World Bank had funded during the past few years are efficient, with very low emissions. But that makes no difference to people like Kim and Obama. They are eager to force their beliefs on other people, even if that means condemning them to poverty.

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MrShaman

Sep-16-13 12:56 PM

"Take a trip to Washingtonville and look at the setup that the power plant and United States Gypsum has regarding the use of coal gas scrubbers and the synthetic gypsum by product being used to make wall board." - Capricorn1

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How do ya' suppose the gypsum-miners are feeling, about that??

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KrazyK

Sep-16-13 12:55 PM

rick424. The power grid in this area is one large interconnected system encompassing all the states east of the Mississippi. It is fed primarily by coal, nuclear, & gas; with some smaller amounts from hydro and wind. The power coming into your house is a combination of all of the above; you cannot pick to have just wind energy supply your house. If anyone pays an energy exchange to get their power by wind, they are probably paying a much higher price; are getting only a small percentage of power generated by wind; and have been taken to the cleaners by their "green" electricity provider.

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MrShaman

Sep-16-13 12:44 PM

"Oh, give it up. Coal has been dead long before Obama." - rick424

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How ironic, that..."conservatives" are continually instructing everyone (else) on the way "business" is done...yet, they seem so unaware of any actual markets.

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See:

U.S. Coal Companies Scale Back Export Goals

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rick424

Sep-16-13 8:26 AM

Mines ave been closing for many years because coal is lo longer a fuel of choice. I believe the old coal firing plant in Shamokin****is or will soon be natural gas. In certain areas you now can choice to get electricity from the wind. As for the environment well remember trees dying in upstate NY because of coal fire plants in Ohio? Well regulations are fixing that and these are the same regulations this paper insists are killing coal. And, for the record, we export a lot of coal.

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Capricorn1

Sep-16-13 7:56 AM

That's funny Rick because I believe I get my electricity from a coal fired power plant. Coal is not dead and they are making great improvements in making it more environmentally friendly. Take a trip to Washingtonville and look at the setup that the power plant and United States Gypsum has regarding the use of coal gas scrubbers and the synthetic gypsum by product being used to make wall board. This is a fairly new technology that's starting to be used nationwide.

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rick424

Sep-16-13 7:35 AM

Oh, give it up. Coal has been dead long before Obama. In fact you should be praising Obama since he is supporting the gas industry.

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