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September 15, 2013

I would like to respond to the letter submitted by Timothy Scott Miller who stated that landlords should be held accountable for renting to individuals who allow drug activity to flourish in......

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MimLogue

Sep-16-13 8:09 AM

Registering tenants is about city money but it is not good the way they are classifying us as high crime to do it, Get the number from the mayors own Williamsport water authority everyone uses water

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MimLogue

Sep-16-13 8:07 AM

look at article about cell phone usage, Our census is wrong& the mayor is losing millions in community block grant money. Its all over the city"s website we are the fastest growing city. Community block grant money is no small potatoes, Its millions we could be qualifying for. this must burn the mayor.

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nobud74

Sep-15-13 8:31 PM

No, it is not the job of landlords to be the police in their rentals, but it is your responsibility to know when suspicious activity is going on in your rentals. As a landlord, you can tell. You didn't acquire the means of purchasing and administering rentals by being dumb, so stop playing dumb.

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JerryfromRI

Sep-15-13 5:43 PM

I'm with Premier on this one.

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Premier

Sep-15-13 3:39 PM

USA, stop and take a breath.

I will not call it "idiotic" but for the "correlation" thing.

If YOUR tenant pays YOUR property taxes, they should also receive and send in YOUR tax statement and be able to use the property as collateral.

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USABorn

Sep-15-13 3:27 PM

Premier - 6:38 AM

"USA, I beg to differ. To say that landlords do not pay property tax from their rental income is like saying your Federal, state and local taxes are paid by your employer."

What an idiotic statement! My previous landlord was my son. When he figured the rent he was going to charge, he included: mortgage, maintenance, property taxes, insurance, gas (heat), and garbage collection. Plus a small amount for profit.

Upon checking with my current landlord, she told me basically the same thing (minus heat).

As for employers paying ones taxes? No correlation whatsoever. If YOUR employer pays YOUR taxes, they should also send in YOUR tax return and receive YOUR refund!

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Tgrammiex4

Sep-15-13 1:11 PM

CaveFelem- Maybe rather than use "Drug Dealer" on the rental App. they could use " Self Employed Pharmaceutical Supply Distribution Manager"...Yeah, that looks better....

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Tgrammiex4

Sep-15-13 11:20 AM

I am not a landlord but I am a homeowner.Unless a landlord has owned thier rentals for years I don't think there is big profits in it even with the higher rents these days.By the time you pay all the costs that go with it, all it takes is one tenant that trashes the place and you can end up with $1ooo's of repairs and clean up costs, not to mention going thru eviction process if needed, possibly months without rent and court costs.

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MimLogue

Sep-15-13 10:30 AM

Do u know how many times I have repainted recarpeted , replumbed building rework , rework, landlording is not an easy business, No landlord wants a medal or is asking to be called a hero but someone here is blaming all landlords with all the crime, after what I do all day I dont have time to fight crime.

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MimLogue

Sep-15-13 10:27 AM

Landlords pay most of the bills water police, fire we try to maintain our buildings and keep the properties clean, we are labeled as slumlords. If we work on our buildings and the tenants leave trash or break a window we are slumlords, We try to treat people fair when they are down on their luck giving tenants chances that we never get from our banks, we are abused by people who dont know us, we have to have thick skin, all we are trying to do is provide safe housing for families ,

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MimLogue

Sep-15-13 10:21 AM

"The hue and cry from LANDLORDS that they pay so much in property taxes is getting old. There isn't a landlord in the city that pays the property taxes on their rentals! Their renters pay the taxes. " I am on video at the courthouse paying my 50k, it wasnt my tenants, What about all the tenants that have paid me half the rent this month because they couldn"t afford gas, or their car repair bill, or they got sick? or their 300$ water bill was due.Who paid the taxes,? mortgage, plumber, insurance utility ,trash man,cut grass this month? You haven"t a clue!Why don"t we make tenants pay the tax,water,trash cut grass? landlords do it u know why ?? the tenants won"t, thats a fact jack!

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MimLogue

Sep-15-13 10:09 AM

The mayor and all city employees should be working to bring Williamsports property values up. Higher assessments means more tax dollars, more money for police and firemen, this is a no brainer. Officer Tim Miller lives in a 200,000$ home in Hughesville area. He has no monetary stake in property value in the city. If his home was in Williamsport and his homes value fell because of this class warfare labeling his ordinance is creating, do u think He would be pushing this??it??Maybe we should change the law that city employees need to live in the city? Did the rise in our crime occur after we changed this law?? Pride means a lot in the success of a company. As it does in the success of a city.I am proud to be a Williamsport Landlord.

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Tgrammiex4

Sep-15-13 8:47 AM

Mr. Hiller, what landlord would knowingly rent to a drug dealer or criminal? These people don't apply for rentals, they move in with someone else who already has a place (ie: family , friend etc) They don't apply and they aren't on the lease. It's not easy for a landlord to prove they are living there permanently as apposed to just "visiting".

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CarlHiller

Sep-15-13 8:07 AM

"I cannot predict future behavior, nor can our police department." You may not be able to predict but if past behavior shows a sustained criminal influence chances are that will continue. If someone has skipped out on prior landlords chances are they will do it to you. Sorry but your LTE is simply full of excuses.

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CarlHiller

Sep-15-13 8:04 AM

Another landlord crying the blues. While you are not responsible for the actions of your tenants you are responsible for continually renting to those who have a tendency to crime. Williamsport and surrounding areas would have relatively minor crime and drug issues if landlords would quit looking the other way in renting to tenants. Rather than make excuses, own up to the issue and do your part. Don't rent to those who have a criminal history, don't pay their bills, skipped out on their last landlord, can't keep a job etc. These are all very easy things to check and not one of them would get you in trouble with anti-discriminatory laws.

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Ritty77

Sep-15-13 7:52 AM

Good points, Grammy.

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Tgrammiex4

Sep-15-13 7:44 AM

Employment history and especially current employment status are a great indicator of this activity. A landlord could easily and legally refuse to rent to a person who can't prove he's employed and has the ability to pay the rent. -Ritty

True Ritty, but how many are getting assistance or SSI, both verifiable income ? Again, many aren't even on the lease, just "visiting"

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CaveFelem

Sep-15-13 7:43 AM

WNEP reported on Friday that Wilkes-Barre enforced the One Strike Rental Ordinance policy for the first time. 3 people were arrested on Wednesday for allegedly dealing cocaine from the apartment. Apartment was shut down Friday, and the landlord isn't allowed to rent it for 6 months.

I'm anxious to see how this plays out in court from the landlord's perspective.

Tgrammiex4 is right - it's not like people check a box that says "drug dealer" when they fill out a rental application.

Besides, I thought the drug issues had been solved, based on the number of police present in the west end of Newberry when school starts and lets out.

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Ritty77

Sep-15-13 7:39 AM

"How many drug dealers put on thier rental application "Drug Dealer" as thier occupation? All the background checks in the world don't help if they've never been caught or charged with such. It's discrimination for a landlord to refuse to rent to someone just because they "look" like a drug dealer. If background check is clear and personal refrences check out, how is a landlord supposed to know?"

Employment history and especially current employment status are a great indicator of this activity. A landlord could easily and legally refuse to rent to a person who can't prove he's employed and has the ability to pay the rent.

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Premier

Sep-15-13 6:38 AM

USA, I beg to differ. To say that landlords do not pay property tax from their rental income is like saying your Federal, state and local taxes are paid by your employer.

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Tgrammiex4

Sep-15-13 5:10 AM

How many drug dealers put on thier rental application "Drug Dealer" as thier occupation? All the background checks in the world don't help if they've never been caught or charged with such.It's discrimination for a landlord to refuse to rent to someone just because they "look" like a drug dealer. If background check is clear and personal refrences check out, how is a landlord supposed to know? Alot of these "dealers" aren't even on the lease. Just visitors.Keeping rentals up to code and doing the reg, screenings of tenants is the responsibility of the landlord.Controling criminal activity is the Police's job.

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USABorn

Sep-15-13 1:48 AM

"The answer to our drug problem is not to put the burden on landlords, who by the way pay a great deal of the property taxes in the city,"

The hue and cry from LANDLORDS that they pay so much in property taxes is getting old. There isn't a landlord in the city that pays the property taxes on their rentals! Their renters pay the taxes.

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