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Massive overhaul to fight crime proposed

September 15, 2013

Two Williamsport councilmen have introduced a proposal meant to strengthen neighborhoods and prevent heroin dealers from setting up base in the city....

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fromtheport

Sep-15-13 6:28 AM

Wtf so instead of registering tenants i am going to have to install motion dectors with lights and have a 0.5mil tax increase, wow we got some real winners in council.

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CarlHiller

Sep-15-13 7:54 AM

Basically another do nothing plan. Register the landlords (they are a business after all, you do it with any other business) and go after those whose rentals continually show nuisance or criminal activity. You can institute a nuisance ordinance against rentals that continually require police or codes involvement. You guys are looking at this a**-backwards.

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brownfox91

Sep-15-13 7:57 AM

If the city (everyone) would quit focusing on the negative and start focusing on the positive and empowering the positive, change for the better will occur. We are all letting the negative take over and ruin Williamsport.

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z3r0c00l

Sep-15-13 8:19 AM

We must find ways to take away the market as andy33 eludes. Just like any business, you must first identify your customer. If you have little or no market, you find a better place to sell your drugs. Solve the drug addiction problem first. Pressure the drug treatment facilities for results. How successful are their programs? What are the metrics? What is our education plan K-12 and beyond?

Take the 400k and invest it in the following:

50k in auditing of drug facilities (a goal to shift resources into programs that work)

200k in free treatment at Whitedeer.

100k in education across schools.

50k advertising how we’ve cleaned up Williamsport. Convey to dealers, there's no market here for selling drugs.

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andy33

Sep-15-13 8:58 AM

z3r0c00l....NOW..that's a plan!...maybe council should adopt a plan that WILL work.

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andy33

Sep-15-13 9:03 AM

I hope these 2 "well intended fools"...Council President Bill Hall and Council Vice President Jonathan Williamson read these comments and get the clue that they are off in the wrong direction...This is exactly what this town has always done...running too fast down the wrong road!

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MoMRNRmR

Sep-15-13 9:15 AM

Wow, what a plan! No, this is NOT even close. Please, Mr. Mayor, “LIGHTS for SAFETY”, what does that have to do with the “War on Drugs” in Williamsport? Spend more money on “CODES for the City of Williamsport”, what does that have to do with the “War on Drugs” in Williamsport? I really tried my hardest to stay positive, so here goes….. 1) z3r0c00l has a great post with solutions or a great start: Take the 400k and invest it in the following: 50k in auditing of drug facilities (a goal to shift resources into programs that work) 200k in free treatment at Whitedeer. 100k in education across schools. 50k advertising how we’ve cleaned up Williamsport. Convey to dealers, there's no market here for selling drugs. 2) brownfox91 - empowering the positive, change for the better will occur, I think you might have something here. 3) andy33 is correct, if you run the drug dealers out of the city, they will be right across the bridge.

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MoMRNRmR

Sep-15-13 9:15 AM

continue

. Nice comment, and this is what would happen: That would defently call them right out, right out into other communities, so make your problems other communities problems- I don’t really like that Mr. Mayor. Z3rOcOO1 Love your solutions.

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MimLogue

Sep-15-13 9:37 AM

The police will need to be trained to recognize high priority codes violations when officers respond to calls so they can document violations and forward them to the codes department for enforcement."Great idea, shouldnt the police have been doing this in the past?? The mayor and all city employees should be working to bring Williamsports property values up. Higher assessments means more tax dollars, more money for police and firemen, this is a no brainer. Officer Tim Miller lives in a 200,000$ home in Hughesville area. He has no monetary stake in property value in the city. If his home was in Williamsport and his homes value fell because of this class warfare labeling his ordinance is creating, do u think He would be pushing this??it??Maybe we should change the law that city employees need to live in the city? Did the rise in our crime occur after we changed this law?

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MimLogue

Sep-15-13 9:43 AM

so make your problems other communities problems- I don’t really like that Mr. Mayor. What is your solution keep the status quo, reform them on taxpayers money, stop everyone from wanting drugs in Williamsport??, annihilation? sorry, I am not getting you??MoMRNRmR

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andy33

Sep-15-13 9:45 AM

Oh GEEZ...Mim...give it a rest..all you care about are your rental properties when kids are dying!...WHERE are your priorities!!!

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MimLogue

Sep-15-13 9:47 AM

I hear a lot of complaints from tenants they have called hundreds of times to the da and drug task force that doesnt even exist any more and got no response if the information is lost the connection somewhere is broken, Crime is up . Landlords are being blamed,even though we dont have the right to fight crime? Only the police and Da have the clout to fix this.

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MimLogue

Sep-15-13 9:50 AM

Andy I love you! kissy kissy. come on give me a big smooch!

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MimLogue

Sep-15-13 9:51 AM

My priorities are with you! You are the best!!

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MoMRNRmR

Sep-15-13 9:52 AM

MimLogue: I am not getting you??MoMRNRmR, What don't you GET? What is your solution? Why bring up where Tim Miller lives? Is that your solution? I will agree with the post from andy33Oh GEEZ...Mim...give it a rest..all you care about are your rental properties when kids are dying!...WHERE are your priorities!!! Yes, MimLogue where r your priorities? What don't you GET?

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MimLogue

Sep-15-13 9:55 AM

I know several people who went thru white deer at 30K taxpayers money and in a week,,, back on the stuff. It doesn"t always work but it puts people to work.

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MimLogue

Sep-15-13 10:02 AM

People who don:t have a monetary stake in a company or a city I are not as likely to work as hard for the company or city that employs them, i have heard negative comments from city employees about certain areas of the city a lot of them have been untrue, the mayors employees should all be re trained in city pride, I am against any more government spending but MoMRNRmR money for this class, I would give the thumbs up!!

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MimLogue

Sep-15-13 10:05 AM

MoMRNRmR and Andy I love you both , I cant choose you are both so intelligent.

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andy33

Sep-15-13 10:29 AM

Mim...you are a funny girl...if you only knew who you are trying to demean...you are truly showing YOUR ignorance!!!!....get on topic....

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MoMRNRmR

Sep-15-13 10:36 AM

MimLogue I know my intellegence, I see it in my paycheck everyday, thank you much………….. Yes, stay on Topic, don’t show your intellegence now, o.k…. and I mean that truly. I'm just saying that increasing the amount of money spent on 1) Code's positions 2) increasing how much money they make& 3) installing security lights; How does this help solve the current drug problem in the City of Williamsport. The "War on Drugs” is the major problem in “our town of Williamsport”, Positive solutions is all that we need…. I'm confused on what the mayors focus if on....that's all. What does Codes Positions have to do with getting drugs out of Williamsport? I’m saying that the solution isn’t to push it to outlying communities: Montoursville, S.Williamsport, Jersey Shore etc.

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MoMRNRmR

Sep-15-13 10:38 AM

sorry, "if" should be "is"

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Shirly

Sep-15-13 10:56 AM

This thread typifies part of the problem we've got in this community. Geesh, we can't even get along on a comments section to an article about the drug problem we face. Come ON, folks. Drop all the personal vendetta garbage and address the issue.

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Shirly

Sep-15-13 11:01 AM

Personally, while the council folks who presented a plan are at least attempting to deal with the issue of drugs in our community, mostly it is an economic plan to throw money, money and more money at the issue.

It seems to me what we really need is "boots on the ground!" And THAT means we need folks to take some responsibility here. Yes, there will be a cost and Council is very good at doling out the dollars but it's the PEOPLE who need to step up and reclaim their neighborhoods.

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aretesancus

Sep-15-13 11:01 AM

MsLogue: Your attempt to shift responsibility from the landlord to police and codes is misplaced and misinformed. In fact, the opposite of what you said is true. The landlord has more power than the police or codes to rid Williamsport of problem renters/tenants and Capt. Tim Miller has explained this principle many times, including on the City's website. Lease agreements give a landlord a broad spectrum of authority to evict, to include repeat contact with the police, evidence of drug activity, and complaints from neighbors. Lycoming Housing Authority, Timberland, and Williamsport Village management have figured this out within the past decade. But it requires the owner/manager of the property to be present, diligent, and not dependent on the government to do it for you.

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andy33

Sep-15-13 11:04 AM

Shirly...we need to stay on topic...thats the problem here on comments....going off on personal tangents ...what's that about anyway....STAY ON TOPIC.....

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