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September 22, 2013

Every Saturday, I enjoy browsing through the religious section to find some peace, and some hope that there is still good in the worl....

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ToTEXASfromPA

Sep-24-13 9:24 PM

MrsConnor, I apologize for misspelling your name.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Sep-24-13 9:21 PM

"I understand the temptation to lash out at Jenny -- doing so keeps some of you from reflecting on your own behavior and examining your own conscience."--MrsConner

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Not lashing out at Jenny, no personal attack. I am glad she wrote her letter and I hope she continues to do so. I just disagree with some of her facts and conclusions. Maybe she could read some Christian theology books or do more Bible study. Also some vocabulary terms mean something different if viewed from a secular viewpoint as opposed to a Christian frame of reference.

Oh BTW, I consider myself a sinner, an evil person deeply in need of God's grace and justified only through the death of Jesus Christ. I am so thankful for what he has done and I so deeply desire for others to know him also.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Sep-24-13 9:05 PM

"saying that doing good deeds deters from faith"

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I believe the author misunderstood or misrepresented what the "referenced LTE" was saying. The referenced LTE indicated that false churches are advocating salvation is through works and deeds. For more information on this topic, check out Ephesians 2:8-10 "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do." Faith leads to salvation.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Sep-24-13 9:04 PM

"Calling out secularism, humanism, and paganism as evils"

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Maybe the author ought to do some research on God and His nature. "No one is good except God alone."--Luke 18:19. Therefore these various ism's that are against God are bad (evil).

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MrsConnor

Sep-24-13 2:16 PM

(con't) I understand the temptation to lash out at Jenny -- doing so keeps some of you from reflecting on your own behavior and examining your own conscience. But then again, "No prophet is welcome in his hometown" (Luke 4:24).

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MrsConnor

Sep-24-13 2:15 PM

I have a confession to make: I am one of "those who have victimized" Ms. Twardowski in our "badly decayed educational system" (enigma). That is to say, I am Jenny's AP English teacher. As such, I am pleased that she would take the initiative to write a letter to the Editor of our local newspaper. I am also pleased with the articulate formation of her argument. Clearly, she struck a nerve and evoked a response, thus creating an interesting conversation here online. To those who worry about young Ms. Twardowski's spiritual well-being, I think it is safe to say she is securely on her own journey of faith and she will find her way just fine. She raised an excellent point in her letter: the very "best" Christians are sometimes the reason many people do not go to church. I understand the temptation to lash out at Jenny -- doing so keeps some of you from reflecting on your own behavior and examining your own conscience. But then again, "No prophet is

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JoeSkep

Sep-24-13 8:09 AM

Faith is a waste. Believe in yourself and not the jewish zombie. This kid is wise to see through the hate and lack of tolerance shown by most christians. Come to your own conclusions. Let these pastors and priests get REAL jobs and pay taxes like the rest of us. An ancient storybook is not to be taken literally.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Sep-23-13 10:22 PM

Ms. Twardowski,

I wish you the best as you continue to grow and seek truth. It is not in pentagrams, paganism, mysticism, corrupt accounts of the gospel, humanism, etc.

Jesus Christ is the way, the truth, and the life. I hope that you find him.

The church is full of sinners and imperfect people. Please don't let them get in the way of finding the one true God. God is righteous, holy, and just; He wants a relationship with you.

My best to you.

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CMReeder

Sep-23-13 8:23 AM

"That's ok Mr. Reeder, I'll pray for you."

Thanks Born, I believe you to be sincere.

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mikekerstetter

Sep-23-13 4:01 AM

rick424-"I am confused Mike. Do you just say "Hi how are you doing" just like anyone else or do you start preaching to them because of their sin as you call it."

Again, it's the Bible that calls it a sin. Personally, I don't approach the subject on a personal level with someone unless they start the conversation; as in bringing up the subject of gay marriage. If it is brought up I simply state my objection to it because of Biblical principle. I interact with a lot of gay people and couples. There are family members on all sides of the family who are gay. Stating that homosexuality is a sin doesn't have to be a heated argument. One can lovingly approach the subject when opportunity presents itself. Really, it's as simple as accepting them as a person but not condoning or affirming their sin. Anyone who is a parent can relate to this concept. You love your kids but you don't condone everything they do. It's no different with someone who is engaged in a sinful lifest

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rick424

Sep-22-13 8:59 PM

I am confused Mike. Do you just say "Hi how are you doing" just like anyone else or do you start preaching to them because of their sin as you call it.

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BornHere

Sep-22-13 7:02 PM

That's ok Mr. Reeder, I'll pray for you.

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CMReeder

Sep-22-13 6:04 PM

I don't hate Christians. I don't like people who think they are and then act all pious and helpful when they aren't. The ones who think they must pray for me when they are the ones in need of prayers. By the way enigma you are the hate filled bigot with your latest rant towards me. You are poor excuse for a Christian.

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mikekerstetter

Sep-22-13 5:44 PM

rick424-"I am just curious, since many christian posters on here feel being gay is a sin just how would you approach them."

First, it's not what I feel that counts, it's what the Bible says.

You would approach someone who is Gay the same way you approach anyone else who is involved in a sinful practice. You present them the truth with love and kindness.

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rick424

Sep-22-13 5:29 PM

"True. And we need Churches/Preachers that aren't afraid to tell the truth about what is sin. It's not about what the people want to hear, it's what they NEED to hear. I applaud those who still tell it the way it is."

I am just curious, since many christian posters on here feel being gay is a sin just how would you approach them.

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enigma

Sep-22-13 4:51 PM

"It is only for other Christians."-Chuck

Since when do you speak for Christians? You hate Christians. Of course to be fair, you hate everyone who disagrees with you. That is probably why you think that everyone else hates those who disagree with them, but that is not the case. Only the very narrow minded, like you, do that. I am sure that there are some who claim to be Christians that are like that, but that is not the Christian way. Maybe you should let the Christians speak about what Christians believe. If you think we are wrong, by all means give a reasonable argument in support of your position. Oh, that's right, there aren't any. Never mind, continue to be the closed minded, hate filled, bigot that you've always been and the Christians will continue to pray for you. There is hope for you yet.

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mikekerstetter

Sep-22-13 4:45 PM

enigma-"There is also the problem that some people have in believing that just because a church teaches that what you do is wrong, that they will not accept you. The truth is that everyone in that church has sinned and it is only by the grace of God that they have been forgiven and been able to put that sin behind them."

True. And we need Churches/Preachers that aren't afraid to tell the truth about what is sin. It's not about what the people want to hear, it's what they NEED to hear. I applaud those who still tell it the way it is.

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Scott36

Sep-22-13 4:06 PM

Just because one believes their religion is the "right" religion does not mean the other religions should be hated, attacked or destroyed.-Eriklatranyi Is this not what happened after 9/11?

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Scott36

Sep-22-13 4:02 PM

Great post at 11:18 am Scott and I agree wholeheartedly.-CMReeder

Thank you, I do not know if she will see it or not(I hope she does), but it felt great to be able to say it anyway. I can only imagine what a positive impact she has on those around her. As of this posting, 2 people did not seem to like it, but diversity of opinions is what makes this world both interesting, & fun!! Have a Great Day!!!-Scott

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Scott36

Sep-22-13 3:54 PM

I have had my share of being abused by churches, but that does not mean that Christianity is not true. It means that some churches are full of bad Christians or even fake Christians.-enigma

enigma, I am sincerely curious, What in your opinion would put someone in the "bad Christian" category? How can you tell if someone is a "fake Christian"? Aside from that, hope you are having a great day!!-Scott

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Scott36

Sep-22-13 3:45 PM

Thank you Scott.-Capricorn1 No thanks needed, IMO, you sincerely deserve to be commended. You & I at times butt heads,(not that I mind at all) but when I hear of someone who values family the way you seem to, it is an enrichment in my life to know of/communicate with you. To me, here on earth, NOTHING is more precious than family. Again, Have a Safe, & Happy Day!!-Scott

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Scott36

Sep-22-13 3:32 PM

When did Christian mean republican and consevative?-CMReeder

About the same time the neo-nut movement started, along with drug boy. You can also replace the word "Christian" in your sentence with, patriotic, moral, strong family values, hard working, Real American, & any other "good" virtues.

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CMReeder

Sep-22-13 3:01 PM

When did Christian mean republican and consevative?

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CMReeder

Sep-22-13 3:00 PM

"True Christians are the most loving people in the world and they love you too much to let you go on thinking that what you are doing is right when they believe it to be wrong. God has given you the freedom to disagree, but don't mistake the Christians' outspokenness for being hatred or bigotry, it is not."

It is only for other Christians.

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enigma

Sep-22-13 1:21 PM

I see several people here who have had a bad experience with some church and now think that they are all bad. I have had my share of being abused by churches, but that does not mean that Christianity is not true. It means that some churches are full of bad Christians or even fake Christians. There is also the problem that some people have in believing that just because a church teaches that what you do is wrong, that they will not accept you. The truth is that everyone in that church has sinned and it is only by the grace of God that they have been forgiven and been able to put that sin behind them. True Christians are the most loving people in the world and they love you too much to let you go on thinking that what you are doing is right when they believe it to be wrong. God has given you the freedom to disagree, but don't mistake the Christians' outspokenness for being hatred or bigotry, it is not. It is concern for your eternal well-being.

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