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Stop the madness!

September 25, 2013

Yet another gun-related tragedy brings about the death of 13 Americans....

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ArtFold

Sep-25-13 3:21 AM

So the gun killed 13 people but the mentally unstable man wielding the gun just went along for the ride? People are killed every year by fists and feet but I don't see anybody asking for them to be outlawed.

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mikekerstetter

Sep-25-13 4:06 AM

Richard, he did EXACTLY what VP Biden told him to do.... he went and bought a Remington 870 shotgun... and used that for his murderous rampage. That's a pump action shotgun... not even a semiauto. That weapon is widely used for hunting turkey, waterfowl and small game, plus shooting clay pigeons and other competitions.

No, it's not the NRA that's to blame here. Look no further than Biden for the suggestion to use that weapon, on national TV no less.

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andy33

Sep-25-13 4:19 AM

Mike....Love the comment....I usually disagree with your POV...but NOT this time!

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Capricorn1

Sep-25-13 5:02 AM

This is a poor example for the anti-gun advocates to hang their hat on. This was a breakdown in not only base security, but the security clearance system. If a proper background check had been conducted, this man would have never qualified for the job he was working, let alone granted him access to the base. In fact he wouldn't have even been in D.C. because it was the job that brought him there. Oh, and not to mention D.C already has some of the strictest gun control laws in the nation. Oh and did I mention that it was him that was hearing voices in his head and not the gun? No amount of gun control legislation, short of total elimination of all guns, could have prevented this. Or is that really their agenda? For some like Feinstein, I think it may be.

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eriklatranyi

Sep-25-13 5:16 AM

The Navy Yard shooting shows the lie behind liberals' desire for enhanced background checks.

This case was a failure of background checks.

The federal gov't cannot protect its own people, this nation's secrets nor our military bases.

Now, liberal liars want to tell us we will be safer if we let them pass more useless laws.

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VinceKnauff

Sep-25-13 5:28 AM

Perhaps this massacre, as well as the one at Ft. Hood a few years ago would not have happened had not Bill Clinton made military bases gun-free zones. Only MPs can be armed on base. Think about how many might have been spared if more were armed at those bases. Remember, all but one mass killing in the last 50 years occurred in gun free zones.

This writer bemoans some imagined use of this incident by the NRA to do something he disagrees with. And yet he hypocritically uses this same incident to advocate for more gun laws that would not have stopped this massacre.

The only law that needs examined is the one that created these gun-free target mass-murder zones.

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Capricorn1

Sep-25-13 6:01 AM

"In a turn of events that likely left the radical left flummoxed, a recent Rasumssen poll shows the recent shooting rampage at the Washington, D.C., Navy Yard resulted in increased public support for gun ownership.

Compared to the results of a similar poll after last years shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Connecticut, Americans have become decidedly more pro-Second Amendment.

The change is most pronounced among women, a group whose general opposition to restrictive gun control has increased by 15 percent. Overall, opposition has jumped seven points during the same period.

Rasmussen further reports an overwhelming majority of Americans have no faith in the government to enforce gun laws. That notion is even reflected by one in three who favor such legislation." -The Western Center for Journalism

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Garben78

Sep-25-13 6:01 AM

Yes and the shooter was a registered democrat imagine that

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ToTEXASfromPA

Sep-25-13 6:04 AM

The title of the article "Stop the Madness" ties more to the mental state of the shooter and the writer of the LTE.

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MrShaman

Sep-25-13 6:15 AM

Richard, he did EXACTLY what VP Biden told him to do...." - mikekerstetter

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You're wrong....as usual.

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"I promise you, as I told my wife, we live in an area that's wooded and somewhat secluded. I said, Jill, if there's ever a problem, just walk out on the balcony here, walk out, put [up] that double barreled shotgun and fire two blasts outside the house."

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VinceKnauff

Sep-25-13 6:21 AM

Did Biden's words make sense to you Shammy? Explain what they would accomplish.

Liberals using any shooting (except those in Chicago, strangely) to advocate for more useless gun laws is about as predictable as the sunrise in about a half hour.

Found this on the interwebs just now: The Navy yard shooter brought a gun into DC (illegal). Carried it thru DC (illegal). Brought it onto a military base (illegal). And he started shooting people (illegal). And more gun laws would have prevented this? Get real for once Libs!

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idiottwo

Sep-25-13 6:22 AM

talk about madness! This guy broke a number of laws - more laws aren't going to address these issues. Focus on real issues in this case rather than opportunities to push your agenda based deceit. He had a mental illness and needed help - why didn't this happen? Why did the Navy fail to properly address serious mental health and performance issues? Why didn't his record properly reflect his issues? Why did he get a security clearance? Why when he was hearing voices, didn't someone TRULY intervene and remove any weapons? We should hold those accountable that shirked their responsiblity to raise proper flags to have stopped this guy, long before this happened.

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MrShaman

Sep-25-13 6:30 AM

"If a proper background check had been conducted, this man would have never qualified for the job he was working, let alone granted him access to the base." - Capricorn1

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You'd expect (after the Iraq-debacle), we'd have LEARNED something about shopping-out government-functions.

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"Alexis’s security clearance background check was performed by USIS, a Falls Church government contractor, on behalf of the federal Office of Personnel Management. Last week, OPM said in a statement that the check was performed properly, "in compliance with all investigative standards."

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MrShaman

Sep-25-13 6:39 AM

"Did Biden's words make sense to you Shammy?" - VinceKnauff

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It did, to those-of-us who deal with bears on a fairly-regular basis.

I'm "fairly-certain" such tactics would work against intruders (in-process), as well.

I don't recall Joe Biden instructing his wife how to shoot-up a shipyard, as mikekerstetter had suggested.

mikekerstetter has a tendency to get a "little" goofy; from-time-to-time.

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eriklatranyi

Sep-25-13 6:46 AM

Citizens are buying firearms and applying for concealed carry permits in record numbers.

Like global warming, liberals predict a return to the wild west in our streets.

But, just like global warming, the wild west is a fabrication of liberal insanity with no basis in reality.

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eriklatranyi

Sep-25-13 6:48 AM

Mr. Shaman said:

"You'd expect (after the Iraq-debacle), we'd have LEARNED something about shopping-out government-functions."

Yeah, our federal gov't never failed at anything.

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rick424

Sep-25-13 7:15 AM

And I was looking forward to a topic on abortion or gay marriage, instead there is gun control again. Oh well, I agree with the writer, only it will never stop until the majority of the people say so, right now the people are fine the way it is and even want more guns in the equation. Go figure.

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Capricorn1

Sep-25-13 7:23 AM

You'd expect (after the Iraq-debacle), we'd have LEARNED something about shopping-out government-functions. Shaman

Shaman, in a sense I agree, I got my clearances back before they were contracting so many out and handing them out like candy. I remember the mountain of paperwork we had to complete and how long it took them to complete the investigation. They would go as far back as the teachers you had in school. When I worked as a defense contractor after my military retirement, I applied for a secret clearance and the company had it completed within a week. One thing is certain, with the massive cutbacks that are planned for the military, more of these clearances will need to be contracted out and they need to address this issue and restore the integrity of the system. This shooting could have definitely been avoided if not for the breakdown of that system.

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Capricorn1

Sep-25-13 7:32 AM

And I was looking forward to a topic on abortion or gay marriage, instead there is gun control again. -Rick

Careful Rick, there are many that will say there is no difference between abortion and killing someone with a gun, I happen to be one of them.

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leaningright

Sep-25-13 8:04 AM

"When will America wake up to the senseless slaughter of innocents by guns? "-Richard Suanders

People kill people, guns dont kill anybody. A larger conversation needs to take place in America about society in general and the way in which people raise children and about what is acceptable in our society.We have over 20,000 gun laws in effect right now and the criminals don't follow a one of them. Don't take it out on the NRA as they have done more to educate and train people about firearm safety than anybody. They are simply trying to protect our constitutional rights as gun owners. If you want to encroach on that right then maybe some other constitutional rights should be looked at also, how do you feel about that? It is a slippery slope that you seem to want to go down. Violate our rights and we may start to call out to violate some of yours. Maybe you shouldn't have free speech? Hows that work for you?

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rick424

Sep-25-13 8:05 AM

Let us throw in capital punishment and euthanasia just for fun.

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eriklatranyi

Sep-25-13 8:17 AM

Capricorn:

This has nothing to do with outsourcing. It has to do with the gov't not putting effective controls in place.

You can outsource and still retain control. But, as we have seen lately, our federal gov't has little desire to control the details while increasing the scope of its operations.

Just as Obamacare demands your medical and financial history, but does not have the controls in place to secure that information.

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CMReeder

Sep-25-13 8:21 AM

Where has Mr. Saunders been? People have been speaking out.

Gee we get told that people kill people and now those people say it is the gun preferred by Biden and it is Biden's fault. LOL

The shooter was a registered Democrat. Impossible! Leftist don't have guns! For the impaired that was sarcasm.

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eriklatranyi

Sep-25-13 8:23 AM

Don't get me wrong about outsourcing.

This cronyism between gov't and private companies has developed into a means of giving money to friends far worse than what liberals fabricated about Cheney and Halliburton.

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MrShaman

Sep-25-13 8:42 AM

"Perhaps this massacre, as well as the one at Ft. Hood a few years ago would not have happened had not Bill Clinton made military bases gun-free zones." - VinceKnauff

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I'm "sure" you have references to verify that.

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