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Thelma and Louise

September 27, 2013

Refusing to raise the debt ceiling does not restrict Congress from spending more money....

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mikekerstetter

Sep-27-13 3:32 AM

What Tim and other liberals fail to understand is that the increasing debt and failure to curb spending is, as he put it, speeding us toward that cliff. Any first semester economic student will tell you that you can't keep paying your car loan and mortgage payments with credit cards. That is what Tim Mannello and his ilk are advocating. They think we need to incur more debt to pay off our loans. Thank goodness the Republicans in the house recognise the problem. Time for you to get your side to the table for some meaningful debt and spending reduction talks, Tim.

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Garben78

Sep-27-13 4:51 AM

One point you hit right Tim and that's we will eventually pay for the meal, however most of us haven't tasted it

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gavinf56

Sep-27-13 4:53 AM

"Republicans are again saying that they will support paying the debts they have already authorized only if there is an agreement to dramatically cut future spending mostly on programs that benefit the elderly and the poor." - Tim Manello

They are just voting the same way President Obama did while he was a Senator. I guess the only reason President Obama is for raising the debt ceiling now is because the Republicans are against.

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gavinf56

Sep-27-13 5:11 AM

I agree, we already have committed to this money and need to pay our bills.

If you want to control future spending, that is done when we make our spending commitments, i.e. the budget. If you want to stand on principle and shut the Government down, do it then.

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Premier

Sep-27-13 5:30 AM

All Americans are on the hook for this debt but a lot of them just ignore this and think it's someone else's problem.

What would the public reaction be to our spending problem if this debt per citizen of $36,267 was put on their credit report? Hmmm.....

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gavinf56

Sep-27-13 5:35 AM

Google "Senate Votes To Increase Debt Ceiling" June, 12 2002 and read the NYT's article and then do some further research into the debt ceiling increase of the spring and summer of 2002.

Apparently Mr. Mannello has a very short memory, but that is not surprising.

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Premier

Sep-27-13 6:05 AM

There are numerous clips of then Senator Obama advocating against the same thing he and Tim are advocating for now.

Seems to be a Democratic trend of voting against something before voting for it, or vice versa.

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MrShaman

Sep-27-13 6:19 AM

"Please.Don't think our political leaders are not capable of economic suicide this time around. The way some of them are talking, they almost relish the idea. But the landing won't be as exhilarating as the flight." - Tim Mannello

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"...economic-suicide..."???

I'm thinking economic-homicide would be a better-description. I'm guessing most of such politicians have a "few" buck$, squirreled-away, and THEY'LL survive, just fine.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Sep-27-13 6:19 AM

Ted Cruz for president.

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idiottwo

Sep-27-13 6:21 AM

when will there be any accountability for the over and wasteful spending of money we just don't have? The debts are real, printing money to cover over spending will lead to inflation. We are facing serious fiscal trouble and we all let it happen just kicking the can down the road and amassing record debt that threatens our future.

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eriklatranyi

Sep-27-13 6:25 AM

First, a little education for stupid liberals, like Mr. Manello:

One session of Congress cannot commit a future session of congress to spend money on anything.

That is why the budget is debated every year.

So, this whole notion is just another way to fool the public into thinking wasteful, damaging gov't programs must be funded, in perpetuity, once they are started.

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eriklatranyi

Sep-27-13 6:27 AM

Mr. Manello has maxed out his credit cards and borrowing capacity.

He walks into a restaurant to eat, because he does this every week.

When the bill comes, he calls his bank to ask for a credit line increase to cover the committment to eating at this restaurant every week.

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MrShaman

Sep-27-13 6:27 AM

"What Tim and other liberals fail to understand is that the increasing debt and failure to curb spending is, as he put it, speeding us toward that cliff." - mikekerstetter

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I'm thinking that projected ($87B)expense, to get Saddam Hussein's phantom-WMDs, had a "little" more (to do) with our pre$ent-$ituation.

You pro-War folks need to consider taking-out an insurance-policy (against such bet$), the NEXT time you feel a need to display how "exceptional" you are.

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Premier

Sep-27-13 6:36 AM

SHAM, 87 billion? Our deficit is 800 billion PER YEAR!!!

EXPLAIN THAT!

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Premier

Sep-27-13 6:39 AM

BTW SHAM, 87 billion is .5% of our debt. Want to try again?

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gavinf56

Sep-27-13 6:39 AM

"Ted Cruz for president." - TTfP

Just mho, but if Cruz is the Republican nominee, I'm voting for Clinton unless Biden is also Democrat nominee, then I'm voting for Putin.

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MrShaman

Sep-27-13 6:42 AM

"One point you hit right Tim and that's we will eventually pay for the meal, however most of us haven't tasted it" - Garben78

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Try hitting-up the 1%ers/high-roller$ for such reparations. Their perpetually-expanding "*****" (since gorging themselves on BU$HCO tax-cuts), suggests they're quite-capable of such "charity".

To-date, their description (as "job-creators") should also be reevaluated.

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MrShaman

Sep-27-13 6:45 AM

"...perpetually-expanding "*****"?????

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What...g i r t h... is ALSO one o' those "evil"-words that need NOT be uttered, here??!!!

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Capricorn1

Sep-27-13 7:25 AM

Try hitting-up the 1%ers/high-roller$ for such reparations. Their perpetually-expanding "*****" (since gorging themselves on BU$HCO tax-cuts), suggests they're quite-capable of such "charity". Shaman

Shaman, while I continue to hear how many liberals want to go after the rich for more money, I think we are all Americans and we should all be in this together and even the 47% that pay nothing, should pay something. Why should the small percentage of the rich that you constantly reference pay for everything. Even if you raise their taxes, it won't even put a dent in the deficit. Congress and this administration would just find a way to spend it. Government and their programs have become so massive that they don't even attempt to pass budgets now because they realize it's impossible to balance one unless they make massive cuts within their own. And current leadership from the left will have none of that.

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enigma

Sep-27-13 8:03 AM

Tim, I didn't know you were an Obama speech writer. This is almost word for word what he said in a recent speech. The only problem with it is that it is just not true. Raising the debt limit is not paying for things the government has already bought, it is paying for things the government has already planned. BIG difference. But the big problem is that the government has been operating without a budget for most of the Obama Presidency. The House has passed budgets, but Harry Reid won't allow a vote on them. The President has offered budgets, but even the Democrats wouldn't vote for them. What we have is a President who wants to keep spending more and more money and who will not accept anything other than 100% his way, and then he complains that the other side will not compromise. And his minions (like Tim)will back him until the country is lost.

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CMReeder

Sep-27-13 8:10 AM

Welocme back Tim! What a start! Great Letter!

The Republicans in Congress are the terrorist of the economy.

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gavinf56

Sep-27-13 8:21 AM

Wouldn't it be nice if our President would call radical Muslim's terrorists rather than his own countrymen.

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enigma

Sep-27-13 8:23 AM

"The Republicans in Congress are the terrorist of the economy."--Chuck

Really? I think it's amazing how you can see that "the Republicans are holding the country hostage over one issue" but cannot see that the Democrats are doing the same thing. They are just as willing to shut government down over Obamacare. And if you listen to Obama the last couple of days he has said he will veto any appropriations bill that doesn't have 100% of what he wants. He has rejected even the smallest compromise. He has given us two possibilities; government shutdown or no limits spending. Now who's the economic terrorist?

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MonkeyWrench

Sep-27-13 8:24 AM

When Congress authorizes spending and appropriates funding to pay for it, the President is mandated to pay for that spending even if he has to borrow to do so. If the Congress authorizes spending that exceeds the debt limit (that has happened 94 times since 1944, a full 18 times under the record holding debt raiser of all times, Ronald Reagan—Paul Ryan’s first two budgets which garnered unanimous Republican support in the House required the debt ceiling to be raised eight times)…so if the Congress mandates spending but refuses to raise the debt limit (that has never happened before), Congress is effectively mandating the President to buy goods and services and pay out benefits, but is forcing him not to pay for them after they have made the commitment to spend In the first place. Which of the Congressional mandates should the President follow: to spend as authorized or not to pay the bill.

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eriklatranyi

Sep-27-13 8:27 AM

Gavin:

President Obama & Mr Reeder call us terrorists.

But these same hypocritical liberals told us we need to tone down the rhetoric after the liberal gunman shot Congresswoman Giffords.

Liberal hypocrisy on display!

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