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September 28, 2013

So far I have and many others have not seen the gas companies money being distributed to take care of property taxes and other items in our city being issued....

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gavinf56

Sep-28-13 5:32 AM

Thanks for the chuckle this morning.

Where is my free money, whaaaaa!

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mikekerstetter

Sep-28-13 5:35 AM

Yeah, I can't figure out why Williamsport is getting impact fees in the first place. Then there are jokers who complain they aren't getting benefit from it. Wouldn't surprise me a bit they're the same people who are against natural gas drilling in the first place.

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gavinf56

Sep-28-13 5:58 AM

I don't ever remember the impact fees having to be used to lower property taxes. I thought they were supposed to go to the areas impacted for infrastructure maintenance/improvements.

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Capricorn1

Sep-28-13 5:59 AM

Act 13 money was designed for roads and infrastructure that has been impacted by the gas industry. The problem is government, like with our tax dollars, has taken wide discretion with the use of these funds and using them for everything but their original intent. So now we have people like Jamie who expects the gas industry to build them a brand new city and those areas that really need the attention as a result of the industry being left on the wayside.

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MrShaman

Sep-28-13 6:16 AM

"They will be here for years to come and then water that is to be wasted and destroyed will be here also.

Then down the road this city will be like Pittsburgh, run down buildings, garages and gas companies buildings left vacant and the money taken with them when they move to another area to do it again." - Jamie Aderhold

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I surely do hope you're not generating income, with your psychic-predictions.

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MrShaman

Sep-28-13 6:22 AM

"Act 13 money was designed for roads and infrastructure that has been impacted by the gas industry. The problem is government, like with our tax dollars, has taken wide discretion with the use of these funds and using them for everything but their original intent." - Capricorn1

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Are you referencing any SPECIFIC-instances, regarding your allegations???

If you KNOW of any local-politicians who've "taken wide discretion with the use of these funds and using them for everything but their original intent"...don't you have an OBLIGATION to expose them??

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eriklatranyi

Sep-28-13 6:32 AM

...and what is the liberal proposal in Harrisburg?

To eliminate impact fees, impose a higher tax (which hurts the royalties of local families) and throw all that money into the general fund.

This area knows what happens when money goes into the general fund......it is sent to Philadelphia and Pittsburgh while our area is ignored.

But that's every liberal proposal, casinos, tolls, gas taxes.....all going to Harrisburg, forcing rural areas, like Williamsport, to beg for something to be sent back.

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gavinf56

Sep-28-13 6:44 AM

Yep Francine, the whining of people wanting their free money makes me laugh. The impact fee was NEVER intended as a means to lower taxes.

Did you know Francine, that some of the impact fee is going to building low income housing? Not making anyone's life better, huh?

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gavinf56

Sep-28-13 6:46 AM

...and it looks like Williamsport will be paving 25 streets with a portion of the money, because we have never seen a ltte about Williamsport's deteriorating streets.

Using the money exactly the way it was intended just ******people off.

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Capricorn1

Sep-28-13 6:46 AM

Are you referencing any SPECIFIC-instances, regarding your allegations???

If you KNOW of any local-politicians who've "taken wide discretion with the use of these funds and using them for everything but their original intent"...don't you have an OBLIGATION to expose them?? -Shaman

How about the use of Act 13 money for the beautification project on Memorial Ave. Or the Act 13 money being used for water lines to the new YMCA and to replace lines going to the hospital. I'm sure I could find more examples if you need them.

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gavinf56

Sep-28-13 6:49 AM

Cap, wouldn't the water line be infrastructure?

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Capricorn1

Sep-28-13 6:56 AM

Sure Gavin but how in anyway is a new water line for the YMCA considered infrastructure that has been impacted by the gas industry? You mentioned the paving of 25 roads, there are MANY more roads and bridges that have been impacted as a result of the industry that are not on that list.

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gavinf56

Sep-28-13 7:01 AM

"The roads have to be fixed, thus regular tax revenue must be used. That is either gonna raise taxes, increase debt, or insure continuing deterioration of roads." - Francine

You really answered your own question in an earlier post;

"This is about an impact fee that's large enough to offset the impact of the infrastructure expenses associated with natural gas." - Francine

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gavinf56

Sep-28-13 7:03 AM

Wlliamsports and the surrounding roads were crap before the gas industry got here. The tax base of the area and state have not been able to keep up with the increasing costs associated with road repair.

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Capricorn1

Sep-28-13 7:11 AM

Don't pull a Hilfirty here Capricorn1! Everyone,including you, knows that the roads in and around Williamsport and Lycoming county have deteriorated significantly in the last 5 years. Why hasn't the impact fee kept up with that? -Francine

What the heck are you talking about? Have you even read my comments? I've already stated a couple of times that this Act 13 money is being used for projects that it was never designed for and that areas that have been impacted are not being attended to, such as roads and bridges. Is the impact fee sufficient to cover all the infrastructure affected? I don't know since much of the money is being funneled out for purposes it was never intended for. And as Gavin stated, you can't blame the determination of all the roads in Williamsport on the industry because they have been in bad shape for a very long time. And in all honesty, roads in outlying areas are affected a heck of a lot more than those here in town.

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gavinf56

Sep-28-13 7:11 AM

Understand Cap, but the infrastructure improvement doesn't have to be anything that was impacted by the drilling. The local Governments have a pretty wide area in which the funds can be used.

A lot of the spending looks like it is those "wish list" projects, i.e digitizing the Prothonotary's Office records, funding for the jersey Shore Library, etc.

Give a Government more money, they will find a way to spend it. If you think they will cut taxes with it, Santa Claus will be here in a few months.

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Capricorn1

Sep-28-13 7:14 AM

Francine I think you got Shaman's comment confused with mine. No worries, we all make mistakes.

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gavinf56

Sep-28-13 7:16 AM

Francine, I do not care if the fee is increased or not (although in my opinion, it would be nothing more than a grab at some "free money"), but let's not fool ourselves, giving a Government entity more money isn't going to lower taxes, they are just going to find new ways to spend it.

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Capricorn1

Sep-28-13 7:17 AM

The local Governments have a pretty wide area in which the funds can be used. -Gavin

And that is exactly my point.

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gavinf56

Sep-28-13 7:27 AM

"We're actually agreeing....I think?" - Francine

A few minor differences, but we're pretty close.

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Garben78

Sep-28-13 7:32 AM

Funny that fat slob you voted in as governor also promised the slots would abolish property taxes so how that working for you and fat boy Rendell

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Garben78

Sep-28-13 7:37 AM

I got an idea lets just pass another law raising the tax high enough for pork barrel spending so that eventually we just push the industry out of here and we go back to being 100 percent relying on our foreign neighbors for heat

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BornHere

Sep-28-13 7:38 AM

Gov. Tom Corbett signed into law a moratorium on drilling until 2018 in the Southeastern part of Pa. for the counties of Montgomery and Bucks.

The reason for the moratorium is so scientists and engineers can better study the gas deposits and that the counties MUST be given the opportunity to have a greater say about things happening in their backyards.

So these area's have zero drilling and zero impacts but still received ACT 13 money when they should have received NOTHING.

Bucks County-$524,925 Montgomery County-$673,442

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eriklatranyi

Sep-28-13 7:51 AM

BornHere:

Every county gets some impact fee money.

It was the only way to get votes to pass the impact fee.

I agree it is stupid and the money should stay close to the activity, but there is no perfect solution.

The other alternatives were far worse and would have resulted in more waste of impact fees with less going to the most affected areas.

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eriklatranyi

Sep-28-13 7:53 AM

We all know that if you give more money to politicians, they act like crackheads and waste it in short order.

The answer is not higher fees, but better fiscal management.

But too many never ask for fiscal responsibility of the crackheads we have elected (from both parties).

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