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September 30, 2013

Politicians in Williamsport are talking about 'fighting crime' as if it's an election year. Keeping people in fear is a way to control peoples' minds and get them to vote for you....

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Capricorn1

Oct-01-13 5:40 AM

Capricorn, i am not talking about dead beat dads and such, i am talking about gang bangers, drug dealers, murderers, thugs, violent assualt type people.Get them off of the streets and impose harsh sentences so they have to think twice next time.Lets use some common sense here. -Leaningright

I understand your point. But the point I was trying to make was that as long as we continue to use prison/jail space for victimless offenders, violent offenders will continue to only serve a fraction of their sentence. There is only so much room and we can't continue to build prisons and jails at the cost to the tax payer.

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leaningright

Sep-30-13 9:14 PM

John Zook- speaking of violent Islam, NA, just wont even go there, as i am sure you can imagine my opinion on that.

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leaningright

Sep-30-13 9:11 PM

Capricorn, i am not talking about dead beat dads and such, i am talking about gang bangers, drug dealers, murderers, thugs, violent assualt type people.Get them off of the streets and impose harsh sentences so they have to think twice next time.Lets use some common sense here.

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leaningright

Sep-30-13 9:05 PM

So just let them out to pilfer, kill, stab, beat people up right? Im thinking thats not going to work. We dont have to make the prison a vacation spot, put up chain link fence with a cheap tarp overtop of them and give them heat and food in the winter and let them tough it out, the accomodations should be less than desireable. Act like animals, get treated like animals, do the crime and do the time.Its not a daycare you know! Use act 13 money, cut some other liberal benefit , subsidie wastful program and pay to incarcerate those that deserve to be.Some people will never be changed you might as well get that into your liberal head right now.

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JohnZook

Sep-30-13 4:26 PM

Sham @1:11- Three words the country needs now more than ever: Honor, Integrity, and Respect. I read about it in the book called The Bible. Hopefully someday instead of degrading it, you'll read it with an open mind. But you seem to be having a miserable time in your own private Hell. Now, repeat after me: Honor, Integrity, and Respect. Feel free to Google it if you want........

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Magic1

Sep-30-13 3:33 PM

Mim----again with unprovoked attacks!!!!! Insulting people and screaming like a child doesn't help your cause. Just do everyone a favor either so your research before complaining, calm down and think before you type, or better yet just SHUT UP!

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enigma

Sep-30-13 2:49 PM

"If you'd found prison to be so accommodating, why-in-the-world do you choose to run-free, out here, where Life is so-much-more difficult???"--Sham

When it comes to prison life, Sham knows more than the rest of us. He can tell you just how bad it is. Tell 'em Sham. Sure you get all that free stuff, but you don't have any defenseless victims in there.

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MrShaman

Sep-30-13 1:17 PM

put them in prison where they belong and do not let them out anytime soon. Not a hard concept.

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Paying for that is the problem. How do you suppose that can be done?" - VinceKnauff

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If you'd seen "60 Minutes", last night...showing how prisons have become our new "asylums"...that'd be a good place to start!!!

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See:

Untreated mental illness an imminent danger?

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MrShaman

Sep-30-13 1:11 PM

"Prison incarceration is too costly per inmate, and add in free healthcare and all the other "perks", i.e. TV, special diets, free education, ect. it's not really punishment anymore. It's turned into, as they say, "three hots and a cot." Also, it's a great place to join gangs and be indoctrinated into violent Islam." - JohnZook

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I guess (most) people are gonna have to take your word, for that.

If you'd found prison to be so accommodating, why-in-the-world do you choose to run-free, out here, where Life is so-much-more difficult???

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MrShaman

Sep-30-13 1:00 PM

"Build more prisons, hire more police to arrest these people who don't know how to act and put them in prison where they belong and do not let them out anytime soon. Not a hard concept." - leaningright

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...And, MORE TAX CUTS (to finance new prison-construction), RIGHT??!!!

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MrShaman

Sep-30-13 12:56 PM

"This Mayor & These people are snowballing the good part of williamsport downhill. Try renting an apratment right now in williamsport, theres a good mayor for ya!" - MimLogue

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What...you need someone to subsidize your rent...or, possibly, you think the Mayor should do your apartment-search, FOR you???

Calm, down, and try rephrasing whatever your complaint might be.

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MrShaman

Sep-30-13 12:50 PM

"Liberal meccas huh!" - CMReeder

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Amusing, huh??

I guess ol' Vinny has lived in Detroit & Philadelphia onger than most folks, here.

Makes ya' wonder how he managed...him being so thin-skinned, and all.

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MrShaman

Sep-30-13 12:46 PM

"Police and prisons are legitinate functions of gov't.

Gov't should not be wasting money on hockey teams." - eriklatranyi

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wow...how "profound".

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MrShaman

Sep-30-13 12:44 PM

"We deserve better here. Thanks to civic leaders in the 80's for creating the Philadelphia pipeline that spurred the increase in violent crime here." - VinceKnauff

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So...you've already chosen the civic leaders who'll do the clean-up you require...you know, 'cause you deserve better??

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MrShaman

Sep-30-13 12:22 PM

"I'd like to know what those statistics are. My guess is that gun violence is up quite a bit since '90." - sideliner

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Ask Garben78. He/she seems to think he's/she's seen them.

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MrShaman

Sep-30-13 12:20 PM

"I know the statistics will prove you wrong sir." - Garben78

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...And...as usual...you've got no data to support your opinion.

How weak...

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Capricorn1

Sep-30-13 10:59 AM

put them in prison where they belong and do not let them out anytime soon. Not a hard concept. -Leaningright

Locking up those that commit victimless crimes such as drug users, failure to pay support, failure to pay fines, etc. serves no purpose and creates nothing more than prison overcrowding which costs tax payers tens of thousands of dollars annually. If Judge Butts is able to implement the Day Reporting Center, you will see the incarceration rate decline, saving tax payers thousands. The city needs to start thinking outside the box when trying to solve the crime and incarceration problems we are facing and I think Judge Butts has a lot of good ideas. The war on drugs has been an epic failure and we can no longer afford it in it's current execution.

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VinceKnauff

Sep-30-13 10:44 AM

Sorry Zook - didn't see you beat me to that comment before I posted mine.

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VinceKnauff

Sep-30-13 10:43 AM

put them in prison where they belong and do not let them out anytime soon. Not a hard concept.

Paying for that is the problem. How do you suppose that can be done?

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Capricorn1

Sep-30-13 10:29 AM

That should be cityrating dot com

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Capricorn1

Sep-30-13 10:27 AM

Show me the statistics tim Miller?? -Mim

Go to city rating dot come and you will find that the crime index for Williamsport is not only higher than the Pennsylvania average, but also the national average. There are also many other web sites out there that reveal the crime statistics for Williamsport. I was shocked at the level of property crime that occurs here. WAY above the PA and national average. Do your research Mim.

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JohnZook

Sep-30-13 9:37 AM

Leaning- Where is the money going to come from for those police and prisons? Whenever any gov't has any surplus money, it's spent. Cities are bloated with too many administrators and pensions are eating up more and more of the funds that could be used for police and different levels of incarceration. Prison incarceration is too costly per inmate, and add in free healthcare and all the other "perks", i.e. TV, special diets, free education, ect. it's not really punishment anymore. It's turned into, as they say, "three hots and a cot." Also, it's a great place to join gangs and be indoctrinated into violent Islam.

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enigma

Sep-30-13 9:01 AM

"Voicing your "expertise" opinions, on here, will not help."--radioactive

This sentence came immediately after he voiced his "expertise" opinion, on here. How do you not see this when you write it?

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enigma

Sep-30-13 8:55 AM

"Crime in Williamsport isn't any worse than crime in Philly or Detroit."

WHAT??? As long as Williamsport is not the absolute worst city in the country, then it's OK? That's probably not the criteria most people would want to use. I agree with many of the statements in the letter, but the premise is way off. Williamsport does have a crime problem. It is not merely a scare tactic, although some people have taken advantage of that aspect. Of all of the things government spends money on, law enforcement and corrections are two of those that they should spend it on. That's not to say that they don't waste money in those areas, but they are places that are at least legitimate government functions.

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leaningright

Sep-30-13 8:51 AM

Build more prisons, hire more police to arrest these people who don't know how to act and put them in prison where they belong and do not let them out anytime soon. Not a hard concept. EXAMPLE- the article about the girl who kicked the pregnant girl IN THE STOMACH and beat the crap out of her around the Timberland apartments, this is what i am talking about, that person has ZERO right to be out in the public, lock her up for a LONG TIME, thats what needs to happen. Big government or not, we cant allow people to act this way.

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