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What leadership is

October 2, 2013

Arguably, the two most effective Presidents in my lifetime were Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton. Reagan was ideologically right and Clinton is ideologically left....

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USABorn

Oct-03-13 12:01 PM

There are some "older folks" with good memories on here, sure nuff! I was 73 yesterday. How about you'all?

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USABorn

Oct-03-13 11:58 AM

underwood - 6:18 PM

"I’d say that Obama relies on manipulation rather than leadership."

Manipulation for sure! Dumbama couldn't keep the military from getting their pay, but he has still hurt our military. He has closed down the commissaries on the military bases. They will have to buy their groceries at regular stores now at a 30% higher cost. something that will financially hurt the vast majority.

And his treatment of the veterans in D.C.?

And he dares refer to himself as Commander-in-Chief when he hates the military? What a dispicable piece of garbage he is!

He even tried to shut down Mt. Vernon which is PRIVATELY OWNED.

The crap he is pulling is beyond the pale. But what else can you expect from someone of such low moral character?

PS......The AFB golf club he plays at remains open!

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underwood

Oct-02-13 6:18 PM

I’d say that Obama relies on manipulation rather than leadership.

I’m a libertarian, but I don’t belong to the Libertarian Party or vote for their candidate.

Let’s say we’re more experienced and have the wisdom that comes with that experience.

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richardson

Oct-02-13 4:59 PM

You are older than dirt Phil. Just kidding. We are 'bout the same. I'll be registering Libertarian again. I'm fed up.

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richardson

Oct-02-13 4:53 PM

I left out the most influential president of our lives. As promised Barack Obama has brought us "Change". To that end I consider Obama the most effective president in our lifetime.

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underwood

Oct-02-13 2:11 PM

Jude, I aimed the letter at effective leadership during my lifetime. I was too young to include many of the accomplishments you mentioned and their history has been too distorted for me to consider the leadership involved in them. You could be right to include them though.

Are you really older than me? I thought I was the senior contributor here.

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JohnZook

Oct-02-13 2:09 PM

Leaning- The gov't already does give illegals cash cards, SNAP cards, and the like. It has been said that there is a place in FL. that will set up illegals with all the benefits you and I can't get.

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richardson

Oct-02-13 1:49 PM

Although I tend to agree with Phil's letter. Presidents of influence during my lifetime; Roosevelt in cementing socialist philosophy into reality. Leading America and Allied Forces through WW2. Truman ending that war and firing Mac Carthur thereby keeping us out of WW3. Nixon for opening China to the Western World. Clinton, a leader, but also had the help of a booming economy from Silicon Valley.

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underwood

Oct-02-13 1:34 PM

The problem with health insurance has been the cronyism that stems from government regulations for decades. Without favorable government involvement insurance companies would have to compete with one another, which would drive the cost down to where it would be affordable to anyone wanting it. Of course the big government crowd believes the solution is even more government involvement. That’s their answer for solving all government screw ups.

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leaningright

Oct-02-13 12:51 PM

I think we should give every illegal alien free healthcare too.And a cell phone! (sarcasm) Fortysixand2-the government makes nothing work, properly anyways.

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FortySixand2

Oct-02-13 12:41 PM

It's too big! What cons never seem to care about is whether it is effective and responsive to the people. We are the only industrialized nation in the world where our privatized health system leaves us with 40-50 million people uninsured. You say you want everything in the private realm, and yet it is exactly that which has left us vulnerable. So the people only have the government to turn to to right a wrong. Funny thing is...it's still in the private realm, but with a strong dose of government regulation to make it work. And you then say it's a government takeover, when it is clearly not. Well, I say off to the "death panels" with you! (Sarcasm)

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leaningright

Oct-02-13 12:30 PM

The debt ceiling debate is next! Im sure that Harry Reid will accept "NO Negotiations" on that too."dead on arrival" Print more money that will work, right? Pelosi says the shelfs are bare, nowhere left to cut. Give me a break!

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Capricorn1

Oct-02-13 12:14 PM

When your entire premise is that government is bad and doesn't work, there is nothing good coming from that. -Forty

Forty, what is the level when you personally feel that government is too big? It appears that 3 trillion a year that is needed to currently sustain it, is not a concern for you and many liberals. What is the magic number for you folks to finally say, enough is enough? 5 trillion? 7 trillion? Or do you believe that there is no limit and government should have a blank checkbook? The only program that liberals are looking to place massive cuts in is the Defense Department and they are gutting that at levels we haven't seen since WWII.

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underwood

Oct-02-13 10:54 AM

Contrary to what some posit, libertarians and most conservatives believe in a strong government that’s limited to functions granted it by the Constitution. Big government lovers are unable to discuss the size and functions of government, so they use their narrative to try and demonize anyone calling for limited government and they even do it in a discussion about government leadership.

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enigma

Oct-02-13 10:23 AM

"When your entire premise is that government is bad and doesn't work, there is nothing good coming from that."--FortySixand2

That is not the entire premise of the Tea Party. They believe that government is too big, not that it is bad. How can you argue with that? when the government is over 20% of the country (and that's just the federal government), that's too big. When the government thinks they know more about your health care needs than you do, it's too big. When people in Manhattan are receiving farm subsidies, the government is too big. Only a fool could believe that our government is working well or efficiently, but you think it's the Tea Party that's crazy. You Communists are so stupid.

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enigma

Oct-02-13 10:11 AM

Phil is right. While I didn't like where Clinton was leading us (or much else about him), he was a leader, and Obama is not.

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FortySixand2

Oct-02-13 10:09 AM

You can't compromise with crazy. Yes, the teabaggers are crazy. When your entire premise is that government is bad and doesn't work, there is nothing good coming from that. There is no compromising with that. Just look at some of the comments. Obama and the Senate Democrats are the obstructionists. Wow! The entire country should be ran by the 100 Republican Teabaggers from districts gerrymandered so perfectly, they'll be that way for a hundred years. Crazy!

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JohnZook

Oct-02-13 9:44 AM

Sham @6:35- Exactly HOW did Reid and Pelosi support the policies of George Bush to make sure his Presidency was successful? Oh, that time on 9/12/01 when all the politicians stood together to show support of the U.S..

See: Bush is a liar. (Reid) Bush is a loser. " This kind of debt is unpatriotic. (Obama) Also see the Democrats against George W. Bush. 1998-present.

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gavinf56

Oct-02-13 9:15 AM

Tight = right

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gavinf56

Oct-02-13 9:14 AM

Read a good article the other day about Reagan and Tip O'Neal by Chris Matthews. Google it, it's worth the read and falls tight in line with what Phil is talking about.

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SteelerFan

Oct-02-13 9:07 AM

Sham: 'Let's HEAR IT!!!!...for the T-Baggin'/House Class O' 2010!!!'

the biggest obstructionists we currently have are Harry Reid and Barack Obama.

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underwood

Oct-02-13 8:59 AM

We can always count on someone jumping in with a feeble attempt at partisan narrative during a discussion that has noting to do with partisanship; pathetic.

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leaningright

Oct-02-13 8:34 AM

A real leader would have brought the two sides together and solved the problem, then again, we DO NOT HAVE A REAL LEADER. How many examples do we need? What a failure this administration has been, at home and abroad. Obama can talk to the iranian leader and can't even talk to the Congress? Whats that? The Russians, Syrians, and the Iranians are laughing at us right now.

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MrShaman

Oct-02-13 8:28 AM

"Great LTE Phil. Too bad that the consumate racist "Sham the man" has to spout of with his racist remarks that pertain to nothing. "...AND, neither had White-Wing racists insisting Reagan and/or Clinton were illegitimate-Presidents....right-from-the-start." Go back to sleep little Shammy." - CarlHiller

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All I know is what I SEE...and, HEAR...that "evil" RECORDED-DATA, that "conservatives"/T-Baggers make every effort to ignore.

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See:

Right America Feeling Wronged pt1 [YouTube]

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MrShaman

Oct-02-13 8:24 AM

"What we have now is the "my way or the highway" politics." - Darlin

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AGREED!!!!!!

Let's HEAR IT!!!!...for the T-Baggin'/House Class O' 2010!!!

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