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Senator sees compromise as unlikely

October 1, 2013

As the threat of a federal government shutdown loomed Monday, U.S. Sen....

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ericwilliamsport

Oct-02-13 1:08 PM

It's not a dictated insurance, its a mandated enrollment of insurance. If you have insurance already, you are ok. If you don't, you must find one, through the exchange or an employer sponsored, or elect to pay the fine (court ruled it could be seen as a tax which is how it becomes legal to fine someone in this situation).

The next argument people have is that the ACA makes healthcare premiums for everyone go up. They were going up before the ACA, and the services covered were either being reduced or had higher and higher deductible.

It's all off-topic anyway, the issue is an up and down vote on the budget would have been approved on time. The amendments to defund or dismantle the ACA are the road blocks.

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Garben78

Oct-02-13 12:15 PM

My point in my comment is that our house and senate are elected to represent the people who voted them in and if the reason the republicans are against obamacare is because the people they represent don't support a government dictated insurance either and as long as they want the job they have they'd better vote the way the people want.

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Fredzz

Oct-02-13 11:29 AM

Garben78;

What is the difference between a Dem & a Rep...?

Not Much....!

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MarcusY

Oct-02-13 9:06 AM

How can we still afford Afghanistan? THAT money was protected I guess... as was money earmarked for Syria.

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Garben78

Oct-01-13 6:46 PM

And ps they me be off work but they get paid when they return I should know my friend works for dept of ag

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Garben78

Oct-01-13 6:44 PM

Well mr Casey maybe they are listening to their constituents and being the voice for them like they are supposed to be not some obama puppet

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USABorn

Oct-01-13 5:35 PM

JohnZook - 1:10 PM

"Hey Eric, do you know it's against the law NOT to submit a budget to Congress?"

Not to mention the many years since the Senate came up with a budgeet!!!

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USABorn

Oct-01-13 5:33 PM

Cap.....there has actually been 17 shutdowns since 1976. Each time, the country is going to end up with dire consequences.

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USABorn

Oct-01-13 5:31 PM

DavidBross - 10:03 AM

"The ACA is the law of the land. If it now becomes subject to amendment/delay/repeal, without the consent of both houses of Congress, then that could happen to any other duly enacted law. That would be a terrible way to govern."

Obama and his cronies have made so many UNNILATERAL changes to the law, i.e., waivers, exemptions, etc., it is no longer the law as passed by the Dumbocrats.

The president is not empowered to make UNILATERAL changes to ANY law passed by the Congress. And because of the many changes he has made, it can no longer be considered the law of the land.

"If it now becomes subject to amendment/delay/repeal, without the consent of both houses of Congress," Apparently, in the mind of a liberal, that doesn't include Dumbama when it comes to changes!!!!!

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Ritty77

Oct-01-13 2:59 PM

"The ACA is the law of the land. If it now becomes subject to amendment/delay/repeal, without the consent of both houses of Congress, then that could happen to any other duly enacted law. That would be a terrible way to govern." —DavidBross

Yes, terrible. A better way is to pass huge, far-reaching tomes without reading them first. Then tell the minions that they'll know what's in the bill when it's passed. Then have the President unilaterally choose which parts to implement or ignore.

Also, aren't immigration laws, drug laws, and recess appointment Constitutional clauses the "law of the land" too?

Terrible? You voted for it. Twice.

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Ritty77

Oct-01-13 2:49 PM

The very reason they are even debating a CR is because there is no budget in place. For four years, Congress has been CR-ing the 2009 budget. In 2011 and 2012, the GOP House sent budgets to the Dem Senate, where they were not brought to the floor for a vote or amendments. Hence, CR's.

The House has sent dozens of bills to the Senate regarding Obamacare. All were ignored.

Now, the lack of a budget and the failure to revisit Obamacare have come together to finally add some consequences to the tactics used by the obstructionist Democrat Senate.

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ericwilliamsport

Oct-01-13 2:15 PM

Since my last message I have now read about the missed budget deadlines John, Thank you.

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ericwilliamsport

Oct-01-13 2:09 PM

As far as I knew, the President submits a proposal, and it is then scored between OMB and CBO over the next few months, then to the Legislative branch for it's butchering, then for signature or continuing resolution by 1 Oct. You make it sound like the President has to have it to Kinko's by 5pm or a warrant is issued.

Please do reference somewhere that I can read up on how many times The President, or "Obama" as you call him, has not done this.

BTW, MSNBC is only good for overflow of Olympic coverage.

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JohnZook

Oct-01-13 1:10 PM

Hey Eric, do you know it's against the law NOT to submit a budget to Congress? Obama has done it 4 times, so who's holding the budget hostage? What budget? Do you know IATL for the President to change existing law passed by Congress? He has done this about 5 times in the A.C.A. law passed 3 years ago. Stop listening to MSNBC........

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ericwilliamsport

Oct-01-13 12:17 PM

And if we are going to shut it down, lets really shut it down. The nation or even the world wont fully realize the impact until essential services are disrupted too. We'd have a resolution in hours.

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ericwilliamsport

Oct-01-13 12:15 PM

Too bad everyone gets blinded by the GOP attempt to road block Affordable Care Act now by hijacking the budget with it. The budget negotiations are being held up by GOP holding a Gun to the budget process, disrupting almost a million jobs and soon to be another body blow to the globaly economy as a consequence. I get it, GOP not a fan of the new healthcare way of thinking the President managed to accomplish. Get a GOP President and GOP Senate to go along with your GOP House and you can have whatever you want. Until then, fix the budget and move on.

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DavidBross

Oct-01-13 10:23 AM

Capricorn1. That is certainly true. And I wouldn't raise the objections I did if the ACA was amended/repealed by both the Senate and House and then signed by the President. That may take another election or two to happen. I just think the current tactic used to get amendments etc. will only make it more difficult to govern regardless of who is leading the country if it becomes standard operating procedure.

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Capricorn1

Oct-01-13 10:09 AM

David, I would have to disagree. Throughout history laws have amended and repealed countless times. Look at the RealID Act of 2005. That is the law of the land passed by Congress and STILL never implemented because it's very unpopular.

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DavidBross

Oct-01-13 10:03 AM

The ACA is the law of the land. If it now becomes subject to amendment/delay/repeal, without the consent of both houses of Congress, then that could happen to any other duly enacted law. That would be a terrible way to govern.

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Tedeaux

Oct-01-13 9:45 AM

I see three things coming out here No 1: With Nancy Pelosi's comment just before the Afford Care Act was passed, "We have to pass it to see what's in it" mentality, now that we've seen what's in it, the Republicans are honestly trying to keep from damaging this country with horse hockey freebee legislation. No 2: The Democrats are just as big a part of this Mexican standoff as the Republicans, if not more so, but they are pointing fingers like they're trying to consolidate their power. No 3: Do I get my taxes lowered at the end of the year because I'm not getting a full Federal Government for my tax money being it's shut down?

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rick424

Oct-01-13 9:34 AM

More and more states are jumping on the affordable health care act. That is except those pesky republican controlled red states, the ones with the most people without health care. Face guys you lost this one. Now let us fix what is wrong with it and move towards a single healthcare system. I am tired of my co pay going up and benefits going down from a failed big business model of private insurance every year as it has for the last 20 years

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JohnZook

Oct-01-13 9:17 AM

Who would have even questioned whether Sen. Casey would have bucked the party line when he can't even face the voters. He is an Obamatron and will do whatever he is told. So let the folks that voted for him call him when their healthcare *****.

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biobabycj

Oct-01-13 8:46 AM

i dont know much about obamacare, however i do know that as of jan 2014 insurance companies were no longer allowed to be jerks about who they insure. ok, so i take wellbutrin to keep my head leveled. as of six months ago insurance companies said i had a preexisting condition and wouldnt insure me. oh wow, ok so i take a pill to keep a smile on my face and now i have such a horrible preexisting condition.... yeah, i think its cool that under obama care insurance companies couldnt be jerks about who they insured. seriously, wellbutrin?? ok.. otherwise ive heard nothing more good about obamacare

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Capricorn1

Oct-01-13 7:44 AM

Carl, I agree. The administration, democrats and much of news media is sensationalizing this whole evolution. Government has shut down either partially or fully 11 times since 1980 over budget negotiations. It happened twice under the Clinton Administration. Like sequestration, they try and make it appear like the world is going to end and people are going to die as a result.

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Fredzz

Oct-01-13 7:42 AM

Eric,

Too paraphrase....

[ How many people would allow their mechanic to charge them $500 to do some things to their car, but the mechanic is not sure if it is going to work until you have driven away. ]

Many people do just that.... Why..? Because, like health-care auto repair is complicated and compromised by low quality replacement parts. And there is nothing the Mechanic can do about it.

If one can't buy a Quality part they can't perform a Quality repair.... so yea, they do the best they can with what they have to work with and hopefully they are honest with their customer and explain the reason they can't be sure if it's going to work, or for how long..

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