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High cost of higher education

October 7, 2013

At 79 I have experienced education as a student at many levels. I have also taught in this country at all levels; I also experienced teaching in several countries in Europe....

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MrShaman

Oct-07-13 6:03 AM

Seriously...this letter was written by an educator?????

It doesn't surprise me when younger-people...and, T-Baggers...are so skill-free, with punctuation and complete-sentences, but...does the S-G put ANY effort into verifying peoples' (supposed) skill-levels/educational-accomplishments, here????

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Capricorn1

Oct-07-13 6:26 AM

I don't have an issue with anyone that wishes to seek higher education. However, I think many students fail to do the research regarding the job market and the marketability of the degree they are seeking. Too many students graduate with degrees they can't put to use and debt they can't repay.

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CaveFelem

Oct-07-13 6:27 AM

Talk about skill free with punctuation. Your keyboard must insert all those "dashes" automatically.

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VinceKnauff

Oct-07-13 6:42 AM

Shammy - do you have any idea how idiotic your comment here is?

Do you know Mr. Kovich, Shammy? Do you have evidence questioning his credentials?

What Mr. Kovich said here is inarguably true. Today's Liberal Arts colleges turn out far too many graduates whose only chance at employment in their degree field is to teach the next generation of Art History or Literature majors.

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Capricorn1

Oct-07-13 6:50 AM

Vince, when Shaman can't attack the author for context, he attacks the author.

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GoBB62

Oct-07-13 7:48 AM

"It doesn't surprise me when younger-people...and, T-Baggers...are so skill-free...." - sham

Not to mention the peacelovedopers from the 60's.

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CMReeder

Oct-07-13 7:57 AM

The the right you do know what this writer is advocating do you not?

Government control of education, a national standard. Not only a standardizing of education but also of filling positions in businesses which means that the government has control of businesses as well.

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enigma

Oct-07-13 8:36 AM

Chuck is right. This writer has lived in a free (relatively) country for 79 years and wants to close that door in the face of all those coming after him. He is advocating government control of everything. You would think that at 79 years old, he would have seen how poorly that works, every time it is tried.

In a weird twist, I agree with Sham too. This letter is not written in a manner that you would expect of a man with all of that education who has educated others in many countries. But I do differ a little from Sham. I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt and attributing both the writing style and Progressive ideas to the mental frailties of old age.

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CMReeder

Oct-07-13 8:39 AM

It also could have been edited by the paper for space.

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MrShaman

Oct-07-13 9:31 AM

"I don't have an issue with anyone that wishes to seek higher education. However, I think many students fail to do the research regarding the job market and the marketability of the degree they are seeking. Too many students graduate with degrees they can't put to use and debt they can't repay." - Capricorn1

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That MIGHT be a practical-option, if a student is pursuing a two-year technical-degree, BUT...if ANYONE can "see" four-years...or, even TWO-years, into the Future, they've already GOT marketable-skills.

Everything is temporary.

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MrShaman

Oct-07-13 9:36 AM

Shammy - do you have any idea how idiotic your comment here is?

Do you know Mr. Kovich, Shammy? Do you have evidence questioning his credentials?" - VinceKnauff

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You mean...BESIDES his punctuation and run-on/incomplete sentence issues???

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MrShaman

Oct-07-13 9:39 AM

Vince, when Shaman can't attack the author for context, he attacks the author." - Capricorn1

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...Especially when their (supposed) "credentials" conflict with their stated-experiences.

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MrShaman

Oct-07-13 9:42 AM

"It doesn't surprise me when younger-people...and, T-Baggers...are so skill-free...." - sham

Not to mention the peacelovedopers from the 60's." - GoBB62

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You're welcome, anyhow.

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See:

Activism: The Legacy of the Hippie Movement in the Sixties

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CMReeder

Oct-07-13 12:58 PM

LOL

The right who post here want MrShaman to stop posting but they go out of their way and poke him and they get even more posts.

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GoBB62

Oct-07-13 1:12 PM

Show me one comment on here that anybody said sham should stop posting????

As a matter of fact, I get a good chuckle (pun intended) from his narcissistic bloviating.

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KrazyK

Oct-07-13 1:22 PM

John didn't suggest a strategy for the U.S., he pointed out what is done elsewhere. The USSR actually went one more step and assigned your major based on aptitude. Parents and competent guidance counselors are the answer in this country. Too many high school seniors believe any college degree is their ticket and many lack the study skills or don't want to put forth the additional effort required for the more difficult majors.

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enigma

Oct-07-13 1:53 PM

"John didn't suggest a strategy for the U.S., he pointed out what is done elsewhere."-KrazyK

"Here in the USA we have not learned this approach to higher education after high school. Therefore we live with excesses."-John Kovich

This sure sounds a lot like John thinks that we should 'learn this approach'. He certainly didn't give another alternative to address his complaint. Freedom includes the freedom to make dumb decisions about your useless major in college. I do believe that colleges are irresponsible in some of the majors they offer, and students are stupid in the majors they choose, but that's their right. The rest of Krazy's post was the way we should go. It comes down to responsible decision making by individuals, not government.

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VinceKnauff

Oct-07-13 3:53 PM

The right who post here want MrShaman to stop posting but they go out of their way and poke him and they get even more posts.

Who said Sham-Wow should stop posting? Quite the opposite Chuck! We enjoy it when people like Shammy and especially you post here!

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eriklatranyi

Oct-07-13 6:04 PM

We all know that gov't backed student loans are the driving force behind the escalating costs of higher education.

More gov't will result in decline of quality.

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CMReeder

Oct-07-13 11:47 PM

You are lying Vince!

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CMReeder

Oct-08-13 12:12 AM

So why does college cost so much? Main reason is that states have been giving less and less to colleges which causes an increase in tuition fees for students. Plus you can add any funding that a school gets is the axiom 'use it or lose it'.

Research has shown that a college education will get you a higher return on your investment than any other investment you make in your life.

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MrShaman

Oct-08-13 5:09 AM

LOL

The right who post here want MrShaman to stop posting but they go out of their way and poke him and they get even more posts." - CMReeder

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Not a prob. I'd always assumed forums, like this, are intended for people sharing/comparing ideas.

Too-often, the more-"conservative" folks prefer these opportunities to sell/promote (what they feel are) universal-"absolutes". I'm always amused at how THEY accept those (supposed) "absolutes", rather-than thinking-things-thru...accepting the possibility those "absolutes" are merely some other individual's opinion.

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MrShaman

Oct-08-13 5:26 AM

"Too many high school seniors believe any college degree is their ticket and many lack the study skills or don't want to put forth the additional effort required for the more difficult majors." - KrazyK

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It's also QUITE-possible their "more difficult majors" were (actually) chosen by their parents...or, anyone-else who'd assumed they'd qualified as a "mentor".

College should be seen as a period of discovery, and...for many students, FINALLY...the recognition that everyone-else DOESN'T know what's "best", for them. College SHOULDN'T be considered one more extension/path into a World of inflexibility. Life's tough, enough, withOUT being expected to live-up to someone-else's standards.

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gavinf56

Oct-08-13 5:40 AM

The cost of college has exceeded the inflation rate for the past 30 years. While colleges are not profit driven, they are status and prestige driven constantly building, renovating, and expanding. The "guaranteed college loan system" has created a system of "excess demand".

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MrShaman

Oct-08-13 5:44 AM

"We all know that gov't backed student loans are the driving force behind the escalating costs of higher education.

More gov't will result in decline of quality." - eriklatranyi

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Yeah...sure...that's why the banks have been cut-outta-the-process (as "middlemen").

I guess you haven't (actually) been paying-attention...not exactly some major-league "revelation".

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