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It should be a crime

October 7, 2013

We are in a government shutdown. It is a national shame, that Congress, politicians, would think of not paying soldiers. Men and women who put their lives on the line for them and us....

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ArtFold

Oct-07-13 3:39 AM

A quick online search will show you the military is getting paid during the shutdown. Who told you they weren't getting paid? The troops overseas, however, have had their feeds of NFL games cut on direct orders from Barack Obama during the shutdown, as just one example of his hissy-fit method of leadership. President stompy-foot has turned The White House into The Spite House by his shutting down of services to cause as much pain as possible. At no other shutdown have national parks, war memorials, etc. been closed. Only this man has done that. (You'll note he didn't shut down his golf course, though) Do a little research on your own and you'll quickly find out what I mean.

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spike2

Oct-07-13 6:03 AM

Golf courses aren't federally funded. The parks were in fact closed. At some pount you do have to face the fact that this Congress acts luke petulant children . I think we should worry a bit more about the debt ceiling debate and less about the NFL. I'm glad modern technology allows troips to see sports but hardly devastating.

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MrShaman

Oct-07-13 6:11 AM

"By the way, your elected officials will be getting paid. It is a bipartisan sham, as so will the President and VP get paid. Please, call your elected official, email them, flood them with your distaste at this recent move. They need to know how fed up we are. I never had a job where the person who employed me gave up their pay and I got paid. That's what it amounts to. They are supposed to work for us! The people lose again." - Darlene Winger

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How ironic. TOO-many people (in the past...primarily "conservatives") had INSISTED the government be run like a business...and, when the government DOES so...people start COMPLAINING??!!!

Am I the ONLY person who'd had a business-manager tell me "The workplace is NOT a democracy!"?????

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MrShaman

Oct-07-13 6:19 AM

"A quick online search will show you the military is getting paid during the shutdown. Who told you they weren't getting paid?

(You'll note he didn't shut down his golf course, though) Do a little research on your own and you'll quickly find out what I mean." - ArtFold

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My first guess, would be...whoever told Ms. Winger (that the military wasn't getting paid) was more-than-likely the same person who told YOU that the President "didn't shut down his golf course".

I'm always MOST-amused when "conservatives" suggest OTHER people "Do a little research..."!!!!!!!

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Capricorn1

Oct-07-13 6:32 AM

Blah blah blah tea bagger blah blah blah white winger blah blah blah porky Limbaugh blah blah blah -Shaman

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ToTEXASfromPA

Oct-07-13 6:33 AM

President Obama is playing high speed political "chicken" with his approach to determining what areas of the federal government to operate and what to keep open. He realizes that with a republican controlled congress that he is a lame-duck president for the rest of his term so he is hoping to create enough animosity by creating the most pain for Americans in an attempt to get them to replace republicans with democrats in the House in the mid-term election.

He is hoping the public will be distracted and forget Benghazi, the red-line in Syria, Iran continuing on their quest to nuclear weapons, tighter EPA controls which phase out coal fired power plants, failures with TARP and the invisible shovel ready jobs but that money still went to his rich-friend campaign supporters, expansion of ethanol which drives up costs of food, etc.

He wants to roll out his full socialist agenda. Common sense would be to reduce some spending and move toward a balanced budget that reduces our

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ToTEXASfromPA

Oct-07-13 6:34 AM

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federal debt.

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sideliner

Oct-07-13 6:35 AM

Why can't the debt ceiling vote be just about that, the debt ceiling and nothing else? It's blackmail to tag that bill with another totally unrelated measure. It's underhanded and sneaky. The Tea Party is doing to this nation what Bin Laden ciuldn't do: compromise natiional security, tank the econmy, get us all to fught each other instead of himvand his. i

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Capricorn1

Oct-07-13 6:37 AM

Please remember that these letters sometimes take a week or more to get published. The bill to protect military pay wasn't signed until September 30th. Until it was signed, their pay was not guaranteed in the event of a shutdown.

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Capricorn1

Oct-07-13 6:41 AM

Why can't the debt ceiling vote be just about that, the debt ceiling and nothing else? -Sideliner

No bill goes through Congress pork free... that's just business as usual in order to get bills signed, and both sides are guilty of it.

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sideliner

Oct-07-13 6:59 AM

Cap, agreed that this is the case, but in this particular case with this particular rider, it is stone cold blackmail. Those that attached it knew exactly where it was going to take us and should be ashamed of themselves for once again bringing us to the brink. It is a dirty trick.

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rick424

Oct-07-13 7:26 AM

"He is hoping the public will be distracted and forget Benghazi, the red-line in Syria, Iran continuing on their quest to nuclear weapons, tighter EPA controls which phase out coal fired power plants, failures with TARP and the invisible shovel ready jobs but that money still went to his rich-friend campaign supporters, expansion of ethanol which drives up costs of food, etc."

Interesting Texas, you made this exact comment twice today. I disagree with it. As Americans really don't care about those things and seem to have short memories. Most see that it is the republicans that shut down the government as most polls right now reflect. Nice try though.

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CMReeder

Oct-07-13 8:04 AM

I'm sorry but it sounds like the Republicans were out to lunch or were playing in the streets when this came up for a vote.

It was voted to shut down the government and streaming football games overseas to our troops is not an essential. Having rangers protecting national parks and visitors is not an essential. But this is what people are going to cry about.

There are many things the government is not doing that it normally does because of the shutdown it just that you are not aware of it nor do you care about it.

This shutdown the longer it last the more it adds to the debt. But this is what we get from the fiscally responsible in Congress.

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BornHere

Oct-07-13 8:32 AM

Capricorn1..thank you for the 6:32 am comment, that's great!!! LOL

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Capricorn1

Oct-07-13 8:36 AM

There are many things the government is not doing that it normally does because of the shutdown it just that you are not aware of it nor do you care about it. -Reeder

And a good percentage of it is probably waste anyway and can be eliminated completely. Now would be a great time to clean house.

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CMReeder

Oct-07-13 8:50 AM

Like WIC. How about the weekly analyst of the jobs rate in our economy or the many other measurements that the government takes on our economy that the markets don't do. What about the protections that the government does for inventions and patents and property? Then there is safety not only ours but the environment and medicine and food and water.

Like i said people are noit aware of what has been turned off then cry about it after they got they wanted a shutdown because they think it means less government when all they accomplished is an inadequate government.

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CMReeder

Oct-07-13 8:52 AM

Sorry that is analysis not analyst but you can't have an analysis without the analyst.

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Darlin

Oct-07-13 8:53 AM

Good old Obama - making it hurt! Blame the republicans and keep the slimdown going. No negotiations from the left. The GOP will have to cave or this could go on forever.

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coffee

Oct-07-13 9:03 AM

Who is playing the political game concerning the government shutdown? The First Lady's site lets move.gov is up and accessible but the amber alert.gov site run by the justice department is off line due to the shutdown!

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enigma

Oct-07-13 9:10 AM

The shutdown is all smoke and mirrors folks. It's political theater. The government has been running outside the constitution for years, so the fact that there has been no money allocated to run it won't keep it from running. The threat of default is the same thing. The government takes in enough money to pay its debts. If we default, it will not be because the debt ceiling was not raised, but because Obama just decided not to pay the credit card bill. He would just have to really shut down parts of the government instead of the pretending he's doing now. What he will probably do is just continue to borrow and spend money anyway. He has never let a little thing like the law or the Constitution get in his way before, why would he now?

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ladydawg4

Oct-07-13 9:32 AM

Think about the federal employees that are either furloughed or "essential" and need to report to work with no idea when we will see our next paycheck. Many couples who both work for the government have no idea how they are going to make it if this shutdown drags on. Many of my coworkers who are single or on one income were pinching pennies to begin with and now, with no money coming in, are scared to death of how they will get by. Oh but don't worry, congress and senate are still getting paid to pay for their "nice" houses. Apparently, feeding my daughter, keeping a roof over our heads, and staying current on my bills and loans is not as important as a senators mansion....

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MrShaman

Oct-07-13 9:50 AM

"Blah blah blah tea bagger blah blah blah white winger blah blah blah porky Limbaugh blah blah blah -Shaman" - Capricorn1

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Your Jarhead is showing.

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MrShaman

Oct-07-13 9:53 AM

"President Obama is playing high speed political "chicken" with his approach to determining what areas of the federal government to operate and what to keep open. He realizes that with a republican controlled congress that he is a lame-duck president for the rest of his term so he is hoping to create enough animosity by creating the most pain for Americans in an attempt to get them to replace republicans with democrats in the House in the mid-term election." - ToTEXASfromPA

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...MUCH like "conservatives" who've made EVERY attempt to sabotage Obama's Presidency...and, then, blame it on him.

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MrShaman

Oct-07-13 10:06 AM

"Why can't the debt ceiling vote be just about that, the debt ceiling and nothing else? It's blackmail to tag that bill with another totally unrelated measure. It's underhanded and sneaky." - sideliner

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...AND, creates economic-meltdowns!!

THANKS, PHIL GRAMM!!!!!!!!!!!

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See:

American Casino [YouTube]

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Capricorn1

Oct-07-13 10:07 AM

Like i said people are noit aware of what has been turned off then cry about it after they got they wanted a shutdown because they think it means less government when all they accomplished is an inadequate government. -Reeder

Big government does NOT equal adequate/effective government.

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