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Caving in on the debt ceiling won't solve the problems

October 9, 2013

As the partial shutdown of the government collides with an alleged deadline for raising the debt limit, the tap dance goes something like this: The Republican-controlled House of Representatives......

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Capricorn1

Oct-09-13 2:41 AM

Francine, I agree and it seems their puppet has taken control of his own strings and will stop at nothing to get his way.

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sideliner

Oct-09-13 6:00 AM

Stop at noting to get his way? Excuse me, but "he" did not start this standoff. It seems to me that the Tea Party hijacked the entire process in attempt at blackmail to get its own way.

Now on to the debt ceiling madness revisited. Haven't we been here before? Why is it that when Obama wants to raise the debt ceiling it is such a huge issue? The debt ceiling has been raised 74 times since 1962, with every president besides Harry Truman signing for it. It is routine procedure.

It is also routine procedure for the President's party to go for it and the opposition party to oppose it. It's politics. But it does get signed and business gets done. This is just grandstanding at its finest.

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MrShaman

Oct-09-13 6:23 AM

"Congress needs to freeze the use of that charge card President Obama has been using and instead start paying it off."

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Gee...how fiscally-"creative" Republicans have become...all-of-a-sudden....

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See:

During Bush Presidency, Current GOP Leaders Voted 19 Times To Increase Debt Limit By $4 Trillion

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rick424

Oct-09-13 7:49 AM

Sorry my republican friends, the splintered Republican Party is taking a hit on this. Beohner just keeps opening his mouth and all that comes out is stupid. SG, you might try a different approach on future editorials. Francine, I also like you but I believe you are wrong about the ACA. I think the opposite will happen. But we will see.

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rick424

Oct-09-13 8:16 AM

It is basically dead. This will be the final nail in the coffin. Need we mention Ted Cruz?

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MrShaman

Oct-09-13 8:28 AM

"I don't understand this Rickie, you said the Tea Party as dead." - Bobbie2

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Let's just say...the "Tea Party" has "evolved"...into a more-"manageable" herd of NASCAR-bred lemmings.

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See:

Tea Party ‘founder’: Palin, Gingrich a ‘joke’

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FortySixand2

Oct-09-13 12:37 PM

This was your Presidential candidate in 2008! Senator John McCain has been one of the strongest Republican voices in Congress opposing the conservative efforts to repeal, defund, or delay Obamacare. He took to the Senate floor on Tuesday to continue pressing that point, as well as scolding Congress and saying they should all be “ashamed” for allowing the government shutdown to keep going.

McCain was set off by the news that during the shutdown, military benefits are being held up. He said Congress is so unpopular that “we’re down to blood relatives and paid staffers” at this point, asking his colleagues, “Shouldn’t we be embarrassed about this? Shouldn’t we be ashamed?”

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FortySixand2

Oct-09-13 12:39 PM

Hi All - My son and I were able to get on Healthcare.gov yesterday around dinner time to buy him health insurance. Yes it took a bit of time but so what! I've waited for hours to eat at the Cheescake Factory and to get tickets to concerts.*****- I've seen people wait in the cold on Thanksgiving day so they can get bargains on Black Friday.

Anyway - we live in PA and my son was able to get rates starting at 45$ and up. We are now comparing different Blue Cross Silver Plans but the subsidies were awesome. Also, I contacted the 800-318-2596 and got some assistance and they were very helpful and polite. We're going to reach out to Blue Cross to get a bit more info but we was very pleased. Blue Cross has a Tier system at the Silver level and above which provides my son with access to almost all hospitals in the region but out of pocket costs will vary depending on the Tier he uses.

GOP is scared and threatening a coupe because ACA is changing the US for the better.

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rick424

Oct-09-13 2:20 PM

FortySixand2, bravo! I have always said this, once people get in it will be impossible to defund it. Republicans are on a path of self destruction fighting a battle that will hurt the common folks.

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DavidBross

Oct-09-13 3:22 PM

The tactic being used by Republicans to have an impact on a law they don't like is a bad way to get things done. It puts all laws in jeopardy without going through the typical legislative process. That will not bode well for our country. Once legislation becomes law, it should stay intact until succeeding legislation becomes law to amend or repeal the previous legislation. And, if one party doesn't have the votes to do it, then focus on the next election.

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gavinf56

Oct-09-13 6:19 PM

Once an entitlement becomes law, it never gets repealed. It only grows in scope no matter how much money we have to borrow to pay for it.

That will make MSNBC's Chris Hayes happy. He is all for debt and deficits now. It makes both our and the worlds economy run, so he said last night.

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gavinf56

Oct-09-13 6:26 PM

Interesting read;

Google "False Purists and Their False Equivalence Dodge" by Ron Fournier

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Scott36

Oct-09-13 6:32 PM

Also based on track record, President Obama's version of negotiating involves him getting what he wants.-SG

And all this time, I thought it was JB who claimed to get 98% of what he wanted.---Lowered credit rating and all!! Wonder what it is going to do to our credit rating this time. Pitiful.

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gavinf56

Oct-09-13 6:37 PM

"And all this time, I thought it was JB who claimed to get 98% of what he wanted.---Lowered credit rating and all!!" - Scott36

Drink!

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gavinf56

Oct-09-13 6:48 PM

"....the resulting agreement fell well short of the comprehensive fiscal consolidation program that some proponents had envisaged until quite recently. Republicans and Democrats have only been able to agree to relatively modest savings on discretionary spending while delegating to the Select Committee decisions on more comprehensive measures. It appears that for now, new revenues have dropped down on the menu of policy options. In addition, the plan envisions only minor policy changes on Medicare and little change in other entitlements, the containment of which we and most other independent observers regard as key to long-term fiscal sustainability." - "United States of America Long-Term Rating Lowered to 'AA+' on Political Risks and Rising Debt Burden; Outlook Negative". Standard & Poor's. August 5, 2011.

Nowhere does it say JB or Republicans, but it does specifically state the inability of our Government, ie both sides, to reign in long term fiscal debt.

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FortySixand2

Oct-09-13 9:25 PM

We're "entitled" to SS and Medicare because WE PAY FOR IT! Why do you cons insist we shouldn't get what we pay for? The only reason there is a problem with either, is because politicians of both stripes have borrowed from them and replaced the funds with IOU's. That is not indicative of a problem with those programs. It's ineteresting that cons would do away with programs that have been indispensable for generations of Americans. I can't help but react with bemused horror at tea baggers with their signs reading "keep your government hands off my Medicare!"

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gavinf56

Oct-09-13 9:41 PM

Your argument is true for SS, not Medicare.

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MrShaman

Oct-10-13 5:28 AM

"Once an entitlement becomes law, it never gets repealed. It only grows in scope no matter how much money we have to borrow to pay for it." - gavinf56

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So...you're suggesting what...that we need to start means-testing all "bennies" that the 1%ers/high-roller$ are receiving???

I believe that has a LOT o' merit!!

Well said!

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gavinf56

Oct-10-13 5:31 AM

Yep MrShaman, I don't have a problem with that.

Next.

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MrShaman

Oct-10-13 5:34 AM

"United States of America Long-Term Rating Lowered to 'AA+' on Political Risks and Rising Debt Burden; Outlook Negative". Standard & Poor's. August 5, 2011." - gavinf56

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oooooooooooooo...geeeeeeeeeeee...whatta "great" lil' reference!!!!

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See:

New Jersey sues Standard & Poor's for fraud

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gavinf56

Oct-10-13 7:29 AM

Lol, this from a guy who references Rachel Maddow on You Tube.

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MrShaman

Oct-10-13 8:22 AM

"Lol, this from a guy who references Rachel Maddow on You Tube." - gavinf56

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That's your excuse for being so current-event challenged, huh?

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gavinf56

Oct-10-13 8:58 AM

Ahhhh, now we have "absolutes" do we.

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FortySixand2

Oct-10-13 11:08 AM

Isn't it amusing that the anti-intellectual right mocks and laughs with derision at Rachel Maddow, a Rhodes Scholar. Yet they tune in religiously and parrot the likes of college dropout Gush Limpjaw, Glen Beck, and Sean "Baby Jesus" Hannity. What a hoot!

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Scott36

Oct-10-13 11:22 AM

Drink!-Gavinf56

Drink= I do not have an intelligent response.

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