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Fitting with the Bible

October 9, 2013

This letter is in response to Richard Saunders' letter entitled "War on Christianity." Mr....

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rmiller

Oct-11-13 9:23 PM

FormerEastEnder,

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LTE's aren't really worth commenting on until Shaman get's his digs in... im surprised he has not responded yet"

Actually, I believe the purpose is to engage in civil discourse about the letters.

Without JH's commentary, the discourse indeed remains civil.

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rmiller

Oct-11-13 6:44 PM

"But to use the Daily Kos for biblical interpretation is like asking a young child, who can fly a kite, teach you how to fly a 747."

Hi Texas! Even that's a stretch! :)

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rmiller

Oct-11-13 6:42 PM

Great letter!

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ToTEXASfromPA

Oct-10-13 7:17 PM

cut off>>>>>

But to use the Daily Kos for biblical interpretation is like asking a young child, who can fly a kite, teach you how to fly a 747.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Oct-10-13 7:17 PM

FortySixand2,

Since you didn’t provide the source of your commentary, I did a little Google cut and paste with a sentence. This brought up a news/blog site called Daily Kos, word for word. The other hits were not a perfect match. You can call me what you want and have your opinion on things but please don’t fool yourself with mis-information on biblical interpretation. At least get a balance from some other commentaries, study notes in Bibles, or other research sources. I use New American Commentary Old/New Testament, New International Commentary of the Old/New Testament, Expositor’s Commentary on occasion, several other references that discuss the cultures and customs of the times, Bible notes, etc. Many times each commentary will discuss differing interpretations but they will give a basis for them. They will also discuss why they think one viewpoint is better than another.

But to use the Daily Kos for biblical interpretation is like asking a young child, who can f

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FormerEastEnder

Oct-10-13 5:39 PM

LTE's aren't really worth commenting on until Shaman get's his digs in... im surprised he has not responded yet

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rick424

Oct-10-13 4:04 PM

"Just letting people die is what the ACA will do for seniors!"

How so? Turn us into little green wafers?

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USABorn

Oct-10-13 3:37 PM

FortySixand2 - 10:10 PM

"Surely its a decision they live the rest of their lives with.'

Guilty conscience? Is that why so many women have multiple abortions? That's one of the problems with abortion....using it as birth control.

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USABorn

Oct-10-13 3:30 PM

rick424 - 7:53 AM

"that if any would not work, neither should he eat."

"Pretty harsh I must say. So what happens to those people? Just let them die? I guess that would solve a lot of problems."

No, solving the problem would be for them to actually get a job and WORK.

Just letting people die is what the ACA will do for seniors!

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CMReeder

Oct-10-13 1:02 PM

I forgot the big one, prospective candidates go through a screening process to find out how 'Christian' they really are.

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CMReeder

Oct-10-13 1:00 PM

If there is no relationship then why do we this continued partnership of the two in politics in the US? You know the 'our founding documents are christian documents'. 'My political party is for Christians while yours is for atheists'.

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Scott36

Oct-10-13 11:54 AM

Political affiliation and religious beliefs are two entirely different things and have no relationship to one another.-underwood

1000% agreement from me, I was just asking why the far Right seems to think that they have a lock/ownership of who is a Christian. Again it would appear that those who suggest this are not big enough(or mature enough)to stand up for their own beliefs. Little immature children.-JMO

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FortySixand2

Oct-10-13 11:47 AM

RichLarry, do not in retrospect ever pay attention to what agenda the right seeks to follow, such as doing away with the very things you now say you support? SS and Medicare. TXfromPA, yes you are responsible for people choosing abortions insomuch as legislatively, the right time and again opposes economic mechanisms whereby people are helped out of poverty. So keep on fighting unions and living wages and contraception, and then keep on whining about abortions. You are creating an economic environment which keeps people in poverty, and them choosing to abort because there is no way to feed another mouth. I like the saying "conservatives are pro-life, right up to the moment of birth; after that, you're on your own."

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ToTEXASfromPA

Oct-10-13 6:25 AM

Fortysixand2,

You are mixing a lot of separate ideas in here (10:50PM). I was showing that the verse you were discussing was not just tied to the second coming of Christ. There were people in that church who were lazy when the first letter was written. Secondly, I was saying that we need to speak up for the unborn since they are among the weakest in our society. So don't dismiss that verse for the reasons you cut and pasted. BTW could you share the reference since I looked in several Bibles with study notes and commentaries and none of them presented this notion.

Also, I never said poor people are lazy. I never said there shouldn't be a minimum wage. Don't put words in my mouth. Go substantiate your opinion with other facts.

Why don't you go ask Princess Pelosi why she supported exempting Del Monte from having to pay minimum wage in 2007.

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Capricorn1

Oct-10-13 1:28 AM

Time after time, what conservatives enact economically leads to poor people who have no way up, and they see they can't afford another mouth to feed, which leads to more abortions. -Forty

So let me get this straight. It's now the conservatives fault that a woman chooses to get an abortion. Unbelievable. I suppose conservatives forced these woman to make the decisions they did by having s e x without protection which is widely available and relatively cheap.

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richlarry

Oct-10-13 12:20 AM

Mr. Saunders' used of Matt 25:35-36 is part of a whole parable, just as I chose to use a small part of a bigger story. Jesus was discussing the Father's pleasure with the "sheep" of the Earth. Was he being literal? Or was he speaking about God's children who spread the Word to everyone on Earth who needed it, the spiritually hungry, the spiritually thirsty, the spiritually naked, the spiritually sick, the prisoner who sees no hope.

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richlarry

Oct-10-13 12:15 AM

FortySixand2: II Thes 3:8-9 says "Nor did we eat anyone's bread free of charge, but worked w/ toil & labor day & night, that we may not be a burden to any of you. Not because we do not have authority, but to make ourselves an example of how you should follow us." The lesson there seems pretty clear.

You do posit the ultimate "lib" strawman well. I do not know of any "con" who does not want to feed, clothe & house the elderly, the truly disabled, those who have temporarily fallen upon hard times, those who cannot provide these thing for themselves through no fault of their own. To give these things to those who are capable of providing these for themselves is essentially taking their soul from them.

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FortySixand2

Oct-09-13 10:50 PM

You still don't get it? The Apostle Paul is talking to fellow church members. They've become lazy in their lives because Jesus is returning(so they think), not because they want a free handout. It's not directed at anyone(especially 2000 years hence) for the purpose of supporting their ideological warfare against the poor. I find it disgusting and reprehensible how cons fall in line with the thought virus that poor people are poor because they are just lazy and want a free handout from the hardworking conservative's paychecks. Get over yourselves. You're really not all that! Many poor are poor because cons refuse time and again to go along with living wage laws. You fill yourselves with pious self aggrandizement such as only you are capable of hard work. BS!

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ToTEXASfromPA

Oct-09-13 10:29 PM

Perhaps FortySixand2 can explain verses written by the same author to the same church at an earlier time.

"Now we ask you, brothers and sisters, to acknowledge those who work hard among you, who care for you in the Lord and who admonish you. Hold them in the highest regard in love because of their work. Live in peace with each other. And we urge you, brothers and sisters, warn those who are idle and disruptive, encourage the disheartened, help the weak, be patient with everyone."-1 Th. 5:12-14 NIV

"Brothers and sisters, we urge you to warn those who are lazy."-1 Th. 5:14 NLT

Maybe some in the church at Thessalonica needed some reminding on disciplined living.

The lazy need to get to work. The weak need to be helped. The unborn fetus is about as weak as someone can be.

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FortySixand2

Oct-09-13 10:10 PM

Capricorn, surely you recognize that a vast majority of women who get abortions are not throwing a party afterward? Surely its a decision they live the rest of their lives with. Surely there are a multiple factors leading them to this decision. Where are the living wages for working full time? Can't have them, say the free market fundamentalists! That would most definitely result in far fewer abortions. Where are the real world sex education classes with contraception methods? Can't have them, say the Catholic Bishops! This also would result in far fewer terminated pregnancies. Time after time, what conservatives enact economically leads to poor people who have no way up, and they see they can't afford another mouth to feed, which leads to more abortions.

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Capricorn1

Oct-09-13 8:02 PM

"I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever, in religion, in philosophy, in politics or in anything else, where I was capable of thinking for myself. Such an addiction is the last degradation of a free and moral agent. If I could not go to Heaven but with a party, I would not go there at all." -Thomas Jefferson

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rredrose

Oct-09-13 7:39 PM

Pro-choice, a woman's decision, pro-life. As a Christian, I struggle. Does the gov't have the right to tell me what to do in this regards? How about teaching abstinence in schools, how about parents being parents and teaching their children that what they reap, they sow? How about being informed? Doesn't the real choice come LONG before the decision to terminate a pregnancy? Back to abstinence, responsibility, accepting the consequences for your behavior. There should not be the amount of abortions there are. There are too many choices before it gets to that point. I believe women who abuse their born children should be sterilized.

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underwood

Oct-09-13 7:08 PM

Political affiliation and religious beliefs are two entirely different things and have no relationship to one another.

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Scott36

Oct-09-13 6:43 PM

Liberals despise the Bible because it encourages faith in something other than government.-Eriklatranyi

I will ask this question again. If on the day of your judgment, you are asked: Why did you question some who believed in me for the sake of a political convenience/reasons ? Why did you claim that a political affiliation could claim ownership of who believes in me?? I'm sure that I will get the same crickets as last time.

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Capricorn1

Oct-09-13 6:24 PM

Allowing abortions as a woman's choice and being legal, safe, and rare does not mean being "pro abortion". -Forty

RARE???

234 abortions per 1,000 live births (according to the Centers for Disease Control) Abortions per year: 1.2 million Abortions per day: 3,288 Abortions per hour: 137 9 abortions every 4 minutes 1 abortion every 26 seconds

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