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Reagan “Shrugged”

October 11, 2013

“I’d rather get 80 percent of what I want than go over the cliff with my flag flying.’ – (Ronald Reagan)....

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GoBB62

Oct-12-13 12:07 PM

"So how'd it feel the morning after the 2012 election? Some landslide for Romney"

51% isn't exactly what some of you leftists call winning "soundly" either.

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gavinf56

Oct-12-13 11:25 AM

"Republicans are twisting more than their tongues in knots." - CMReeder

How so?

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CMReeder

Oct-12-13 11:14 AM

Republicans are twisting more than their tongues in knots.

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gavinf56

Oct-12-13 7:23 AM

It felt pretty good, since I didn't adhere to the "conservative media cocoon". Thanks for asking anyway.

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FortySixand2

Oct-12-13 7:14 AM

So how'd it feel the morning after the 2012 election? Some landslide for Romney, as being predicted throughout the conservative media caccoon.

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gavinf56

Oct-12-13 7:03 AM

"LOL The Republicans are toast, they are sinking and fast." - CMReeder

Famous last words right before the Nov. 2010 midterm elections.

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FortySixand2

Oct-12-13 1:01 AM

Nooo, there's no radicalism around here. Shuttering the gov't is just a common everyday ordinary occurrence!

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FortySixand2

Oct-12-13 12:53 AM

Oh Snap! That's going to leave a mark! The Gipper, compromiser-in-chief. He'd be primaried in today's teapublic party.

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CMReeder

Oct-11-13 11:49 PM

"Well do tell who are Reagan's Republicans?"

They no longer exist.

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CMReeder

Oct-11-13 11:47 PM

"Good letter. The problem is that neither side, especially the Dems, are willing to compromise. And, O, is the petulant child leading the resistance to any compromise with Reps."

LOL The Republicans are toast, they are sinking and fast.

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gavinf56

Oct-11-13 9:58 PM

....and Bobbie makes my case in point.

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gavinf56

Oct-11-13 9:07 PM

I don't know Phil. I can't see the same people who support Michelle Bachman and nominate the likes of Christine O'Donnell falling for Reagan, even with his charisma. That's just mho.

The Tea Party started out great, and I fully support their initial ideals (and for a large part the likes of Ida Temple still), but the people who claim to speak for it at the national level don't have the best interests of the movement in mind. I have stated it before, I do not support the actions of Ted Cruz today, nor will I vote for him for President in the future.

We can continue this conversation at another forum if you like. Just let me know where you take it.

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underwood

Oct-11-13 8:21 PM

Gavin, given the choices we have today, I feel safe in saying that Tea Partiers would more than welcome Ronald Reagan today. The Tea Party mentality isn’t the radicalism some would have us believe. The real topic, as far as I’m concerned is leadership and Reagan was a master compared to what we’ve become accustomed to other than his and Clinton’s presidencies.

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eriklatranyi

Oct-11-13 7:35 PM

Reagan did many things (tax increases, amnesty, etc.) in exchange for a promise from Democrats to cut spending and close the border.

But, like always, Democrats lied and did not deliver the spending cuts nor secure border.

Democrats make the same promises today, but we no longer believe them.

So, this is not about doing what Reagan did....this is about no longer trusting the liars who make deals and never deliver.

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gavinf56

Oct-11-13 6:36 PM

Reagan was a politician, a pragmatist, and a leader and he was a "big tent" Republican.

I am going to disagree with you a bit Phil. Reagan would have run afoul of the Tea Party with his "big tent" Conservatism (they would have quickly labeled him as the establishment) and he would have been ridiculed for his immigration reform.

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gavinf56

Oct-11-13 6:14 PM

Thanks sideliner, and I agree with a large part of your post.

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underwood

Oct-11-13 4:50 PM

As for taxes, I’m on record as favoring a sales tax with its percentage floating, year to year, to cover the cost of government and a surplus to apply to the national debt. We’d see a big change if voters had to pay for the cost of government in real time.

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underwood

Oct-11-13 4:45 PM

Side, I agree with much of what you say about Reagan, but you’re taking the left’s narrative about the Tea Party. In the first place, it’s not a political party; it’s a movement or way of thinking. It takes its name from the Boston Tea Party. Reagan shared the same way of thinking, but was a leader and operated masterfully in the environment he found himself in. As I said in a previous letter, Clinton led in the same way. We’re not seeing anything that remotely compares with that kind of leadership today.

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Scott36

Oct-11-13 4:22 PM

Sideliner,-good post.

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sideliner

Oct-11-13 4:16 PM

<<< Cont

Would the Tea Party raise taxes as part of a Social Security compromise as Reagan did in ’83? Rather than reduce entitlements he expanded them within that same Tip O’Neill compromise. Reagan and Tea Partiers alike pushed for balanced budget, but he left office with huge deficits. There are several other instances where he wasn’t as unwavering as he was made out to be. Your Tea Party, Phil, will not budge. Not an inch even at the prospect of gaining a mile.

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sideliner

Oct-11-13 4:16 PM

I’m not quite sure what a Reagan Republican is these days or whether it is about mimicking his politics or persona. In terms of politics, Reagan was not as hard line, rigid, and unbending to his convictions as the legend around him purports. He would, and in fact did, compromise. His wisdom told him that compromise was necessary to get the business of government done. What Reagan was about and what the simplistic myth created about him is about, IMO, are two different things. Sorry Phil, but there is no one in the Tea Party remotely close to what Reagan was about politically or have the persona to pull it off.

He was a politician who knew what had to be done to keep it moving and yet proceed with his agenda. He would give an inch but gain a mile. He knew where, when, and how much to bend. He did it with such finesse that one hardly noticed he bent at all. He was such a master that he managed to move the whole country to the right.

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underwood

Oct-11-13 3:37 PM

If we has some leadership in DC these tactics wouldn’t be necessary.

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nobud74

Oct-11-13 2:28 PM

True. That being said, I am not in favor of that tactic no matter who is doing it; my party, your party, any party. As far as I'm concerned it is dirty politics.--sideliner

I agree. We have children in DC using this as a hammer on the American people in order to get what they want and to ensure the demise of the other party. The only ones suffering are the American people, the pols still get theirs. The definition of scumbags.

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nobud74

Oct-11-13 2:25 PM

Good letter. The problem is that neither side, especially the Dems, are willing to compromise. And, O, is the petulant child leading the resistance to any compromise with Reps.

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underwood

Oct-11-13 2:11 PM

Gavin, you’re not supposed to question what they say; it’s all about the words don’t cha know.

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