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Reagan “Shrugged”

October 11, 2013

“I’d rather get 80 percent of what I want than go over the cliff with my flag flying.’ – (Ronald Reagan)....

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mikekerstetter

Oct-11-13 2:22 AM

Well, Tim, maybe you should send that to Reid and Obama.

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Premier

Oct-11-13 4:33 AM

Well lets see....the Republicans are getting nothing and the Democrats are giving nothing......what was your point again Tim?

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Capricorn1

Oct-11-13 4:42 AM

He also said regarding taxes: "Cut them." And his views on the size of government: "Too big, too bullying."

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Ritty77

Oct-11-13 5:54 AM

"Man is not free unless government is limited." —Ronald Reagan

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MrShaman

Oct-11-13 6:11 AM

"These gentlemen [Taliban] are the moral equivalents of America's Founding Fathers" - ReRon Reagan, 1985

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sideliner

Oct-11-13 6:14 AM

Rep Peter King (R) on Fox News Sunday says it all:

“I’m talking about Ted Cruz, who basically was saying that if he defunded Obamacare he could manage to both keep the government open and defund Obamacare. The fact is, it was done in the House, and the government is now closed and Obamacare is going forward. This was a strategy that never could have worked."

"We are the ones who did shut the government down. Charles Krauthammer called it the suicide caucus. The Wall Street Journal said they were kamikazes. You don't take the dramatic step of shutting down the government unless you have a real strategy and it has a chance of working. It's never had a chance of working."

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VinceKnauff

Oct-11-13 6:20 AM

'The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the US Government can not pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government's reckless fiscal policies. Increasing America's debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that "the buck stops here." Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better.'

Senator Barack Obama - Mar 16, 2006

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sideliner

Oct-11-13 7:07 AM

Vince, sorry, but that argument is lame. Being a Senator, one is naturally opposed to more spending. That is what is going on now. Being the President gives one an entire different perspective of how things really work.

Why the big deal NOW with the debt ceiling? It is passed as a matter of routine business in all administrations but Truman's. So again I ask, what is the big deal NOW? Pay for what you've already spent. Period!

More than one world economic leader has warned of the damage that will be done to the world economy if it is not passed.

As a Republican (or any party member for that matter) do you want that on your hands because you couldn't get your way?

What is happening with the debt ceiling today is not how it's been done in the past nor should it be done today or in the future. It is economics by blackmail.

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sideliner

Oct-11-13 7:10 AM

But honestly folks, rather than kick the can down the road, why don't we fix the broken banking system that got us into this mess in the first place. Nobody wants to do that. Nobody wants to stand up to the money changers and tell them they have been robbing us for decades.

Until the banking system is revamped, we can look for more of the same.

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eriklatranyi

Oct-11-13 7:14 AM

When Democrats shut the gov't down, it was necessary to force Reagan to negotiate the budget.

When Republicans shut the gov't down, it is doom and gloom and terrorist tactics.

Liberal hypocrisy on display, folks!

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VinceKnauff

Oct-11-13 7:28 AM

Being a Senator, one is naturally opposed to more spending. That is what is going on now. Being the President gives one an entire different perspective of how things really work. - Sideliner, 20 minutes ago.

Then why aren't the Dem Senators arguing against raising the debt ceiling? Obama's opposition to Bush raising the debt ceiling was nothing more than not giving a President from the other party a victory. And that's exactly what is happening today. Perhaps Obama should have thought beyond politics then just like you are asking the Republican Senators to do now.

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CMReeder

Oct-11-13 7:46 AM

Good one Tim! Unfortunately that will never reach the Tea party terrorists in the Congress.

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mikekerstetter

Oct-11-13 8:21 AM

CMReeder-"Good one Tim! Unfortunately that will never reach the Tea party terrorists in the Congress."

LOL, Chuck's trolling again calling the Tea Party terrorists. The truth is that the Republican controlled House has passed various bills that would have almost all of the Federal Government open, only to have them blocked by Reid and his cronies in the Senate and with the threat of a veto by Obama if they should pass them. It's the Obama administration's policy to allow the shutdown and to make it as painful as possible for the people for their political gain. But if it makes Chuck and all the other lemmings feel better to pretend that it's the Tea Party's fault, well, have at it. Anyone with more than a 1/4 of a brain knows better.

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SteelerFan

Oct-11-13 8:22 AM

Chuck: 'Good one Tim! Unfortunately that will never reach the Tea party terrorists in the Congress.'

As usual, a wacko comment from the wacko. Harry Reid should hold true to the quote by Reagan instead of ignoring all of the funding bills coming out of the House. And btw, if wanting less government and less spending makes me a terrorist, count me in.

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SteelerFan

Oct-11-13 8:22 AM

'Well, Tim, maybe you should send that to Reid and Obama.'

Agreed

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gavinf56

Oct-11-13 8:24 AM

"It is passed as a matter of routine business in all administrations but Truman's." - sideliner

That is not entirely true. Several times over the past 30 the debt ceiling was used as a bargaining chip. In the early 1980's and in 2002, the Dems used it to try and repeal tax cuts. In 2006 we came within hours of default because both the Democrats and Republicans were concerned about the debt.

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DavidBross

Oct-11-13 8:25 AM

"When Democrats shut the gov't down, it was necessary to force Reagan to negotiate the budget." I don't remember that happening. Also, regarding the use of quote, it is often risky to use a single quote in isolation. Things like the age of the speaker, how recently the quote was said, what position of responsibility the speaker held at the time they spoke, all have an impact on a quote's relevance.

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gavinf56

Oct-11-13 8:26 AM

I read this letter this morning and I shrugged.

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CMReeder

Oct-11-13 8:27 AM

Face it today's republicans are no longer Ronnie's republicans.

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SteelerFan

Oct-11-13 8:28 AM

sideliner: 'Vince, sorry, but that argument is lame. Being a Senator, one is naturally opposed to more spending. That is what is going on now. Being the President gives one an entire different perspective of how things really work. '

Which Democrat Senator is opposed to more spending? Remember this drivel while you still blame Bush after 5 years.

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CMReeder

Oct-11-13 8:28 AM

The conservatives who post here are foaming at the mouth.

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gavinf56

Oct-11-13 8:34 AM

Anyone remember the Democrats "Pay as you go"? They don't.

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gavinf56

Oct-11-13 8:35 AM

...and I shrugged again.

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underwood

Oct-11-13 8:39 AM

Perhaps someone can explain why we must continually raise the debt ceiling if we only do it to cover money already spent and the debt continues to grow. Kind of flies in the face of common sense.

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MrShaman

Oct-11-13 8:48 AM

"But honestly folks, rather than kick the can down the road, why don't we fix the broken banking system that got us into this mess in the first place. Nobody wants to do that. Nobody wants to stand up to the money changers and tell them they have been robbing us for decades." - sideliner

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That's presently IN-process.

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See:

Bank of America Faces New Charges From DOJ And SEC Over Mortgages

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