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October 13, 2013

Whatever the outcome of the government shutdown, some truths have emerged from the crisis. All fanatics see themselves as heroes....

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Premier

Oct-13-13 4:42 AM

Wow, Arno is now an anti-Obama administration advocate.

Didn't see that one coming. Good job!

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FortySixand2

Oct-13-13 5:01 AM

Yeah right, Premier. There are no Obama administration "legislators". There is no compromise on settled law. What fanatical tea baggers can't get is enough seats in congress and win the Presidency in order to overturn a law the constitutional way. Instead they destroy the democratic process. Fanatics are like vampires...they can't see themselves in the mirror.

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Premier

Oct-13-13 5:23 AM

"All fanatics see themselves as heroes...."

This is what I referred to Forty. I see Obama as a fanatic and he displays this stance everyday in his words not the medias. You see the Tea Party as fanatics, I see them as a stop gap to try and reign in an out of control government.

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mikekerstetter

Oct-13-13 6:23 AM

Fortysixand2, if that law is so settled, why did Obama go against it and delay parts of it himself?

The truth is that the House has sent bills over to the Senate to fund everything but Obamacare and it has been the Senate who has rejected it and shut the Government down, with Obama's backing, of course.

We have a whole lot of people who couldn't afford health insurance. So the Dems railroaded through Obamacare. We still have all those people who can't afford health care but now, thanks to Obama and the Dems, they will get fined through the IRS because can't afford it.

And the liberals claim they are for the little guy.

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sideliner

Oct-13-13 6:35 AM

It was not the Senate that shutdown the government by refusing to pass a bill that defunded a law that passed Constitutional challenge. Period. The House shut it down by playing chicken with the Senate and losing. It was blackmail and dirty politics that shut the government down.

Mike, you can't blame the Senate for not feeding into that dirty political ploy.

The LTE perfectly describes the Tea Party. They care not who gets hurt in their fanatical push to further their agenda. It is their way or the highway and everybody just get out of their way while they do what they do. If this is the "stop gap" that you are looking for, God help us all...

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sideliner

Oct-13-13 6:35 AM

It was not the Senate that shutdown the government by refusing to pass a bill that defunded a law that passed Constitutional challenge. Period. The House shut it down by playing chicken with the Senate and losing. It was blackmail and dirty politics that shut the government down.

Mike, you can't blame the Senate for not feeding into that dirty political ploy.

The LTE perfectly describes the Tea Party. They care not who gets hurt in their fanatical push to further their agenda. It is their way or the highway and everybody just get out of their way while they do what they do. If this is the "stop gap" that you are looking for, God help us all...

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mikekerstetter

Oct-13-13 6:42 AM

Sideliner, bills have been sent to the Dem controlled Senate by the GOP controlled House that would have funded almost all aspects of Government. The Senate, with Obama's threat of a Veto, has shot them all down.

You can spin it all you want, but they are the facts. They couldn't get the funding to implement Obamacare so they took their ball and went home. In doing so they allowed the Government to shut down and gave orders to make the shut down as painful as possible for the people so they can point their fingers at the House GOP. This as AFTER Obama himself said parts of Obamacare wasn't ready and delayed implementation.

So, yeah, I can, with a clear conscious and the facts to back it up, say that Obama and the Senate Dems are the REAL cause of this shutdown.

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JerryfromRI

Oct-13-13 6:51 AM

Letter of the Week.

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FortySixand2

Oct-13-13 6:51 AM

"Out of control gov't"? Go back and read my post again. It describes perfectly yours and tea bag nation's dilemma! The law as passed was/is out of your control! And you're willing to overthrow the constitutional democratic process and destroy our economy to regain that which you don't have control of. Go find Scoolhouse Rock on YouTube and re-educate yourself on how bills become laws in this country.

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mikekerstetter

Oct-13-13 6:56 AM

FortySixand2,

You again failed to answer the question.... "If it's the law of the land, why has Obama delayed parts of it without congressional approval?"

The house IS working within it's constitutional rights to not fund the program if they think it's wrong. You may want to read up on Government Procedure.

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metalhead

Oct-13-13 7:02 AM

A Call to Arms! Let us march on Washington D.C.!!

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FortySixand2

Oct-13-13 7:10 AM

The ACA was fully funded all along, Mike, with Executive Branch authority to administer changes and or delays as needed. That authority was written into the law. Con media is lying to you on any number of these issues we're discussing. Any number of GOP authorities are on record in interviews admitting to their complicity on the shutdown tactic. Several Republican congress critters campaigned on the promise to shutdown the gov't and yet you get on here and make a mules backside out of yourself disputing all of these things.

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CarlHiller

Oct-13-13 7:13 AM

" willing to overthrow the constitutional democratic process and destroy our economy to regain that which you don't have control of. " The leftists have already overthrown Constitutional government. The proof is there, and it doesn't matter which side of the aisle you sit, both parties are bad for America. We have more control over Obamacare and any other law that is unconstitutional, and don't give me the old SCOTUS ruled it constitutional, convoluted reasoning does not make an unconstitutional usurption a constitutional law. Having SCOTUS rule on constitutionality is like putting the fox in the henhouse to guard it. The Founders never stated that SCOTUS was to have final say in the constitutionality of any law, that was a right reserved to the States and to the people. Since we, the people do not hold government accountable they continually usurp powers they do not have. As the Court has become the arbiter of constitutionality, the other branches have stopped bothering to

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CarlHiller

Oct-13-13 7:14 AM

constitutionality. They just pass what they want to pass and see if the Court lets them get away with it. Today we have a complete breakdown of how the system was designed to work.

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eriklatranyi

Oct-13-13 7:15 AM

Our system of gov't is setup to ensure minority voices do not get trampled by the majority.

Unless that minority voice is conservative.

Then, calling them terrorists, hijackers, kidnappers, etc is perfectly acceptable by the liberals who proclaim themselves the guardians of the minority view.

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eriklatranyi

Oct-13-13 7:17 AM

Liberals love to say that Obamacare is law of the land and passed constitutional muster, so you can't touch it!

Really?

Slavery was law of the land and endorsed by the Supreme Court once.

Liberals tell the GOP to compromise on every issue. Where is the liberal compromise here?

There is none.

Liberal hypocrisy on display!

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FortySixand2

Oct-13-13 7:19 AM

Go look at all the GOP rhetoric! It has always been to "defund" Obamacare. The bills you say were sent to the Senate to fund everything but the ACA are a flat out joke! The law was passed with full funding for the very express purpose of denying exactly what the teabag congress is trying to do!

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Capricorn1

Oct-13-13 7:19 AM

Reading these comments is like listening to our legislators in Congress. Extreme partisanship is what got this country in the position it is in today. The ACA is just one example. If bipartisanship was practiced during the drafting of the ACA, this wouldn't be an issue. The same goes with the budgeting of the federal government and the out of control spending. It all trickles down to the citizens of this country and the blind party support by many is what keeps the extremist in office, resulting in nothing getting accomplished. When will we learn that blindly following these parties is only dividing this nation further?

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eriklatranyi

Oct-13-13 7:21 AM

Back in 2006, Congress passed and the President signed legislation to secure our border by using technology, additional border patrols and other means.

Starting in 2007, when liberals took control of the House of Representatives, they defunded border security and have ensured the "law of the land" never had the money necessary.

Of course, that was liberals defunding something conservative, so it was justified and part of our process.

Liberal hypocrisy on display!

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Premier

Oct-13-13 7:21 AM

462, maybe you should read up on the laws you cite. Just because a law is passed does NOT mean it cannot be defunded through the house and senate.

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Ritty77

Oct-13-13 7:26 AM

The "law of the land" argument seems only apply to Progressive supported laws. Settled law regarding voter ID, illegal immigration, welfare reform, recess appointments, and campaign finance are challenged, changed, or ignored by this administration.

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eriklatranyi

Oct-13-13 7:27 AM

In 1995, when the Republican House of Representatives sent President Clinton a budget and he vetoed it, resulting in a shutdown of our gov't.

President Clinton and Speaker Gingrich spoke every day to negotiate their differences.

The result?

A balanced budget and welfare reform. President Clinton declared "the era of big gov't is over".

Today, President Obama has refused to talk or negotiate with Speaker Boehner.

Yes, the President has called congressional leaders to the White House, but did all the talking and no listening.

President Obama is the problem and is acting like a spoiled child, trying to hurt veterans, ordinary people with the shutdown.

Liberal hypocrisy on display.

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eriklatranyi

Oct-13-13 7:29 AM

It's funny that liberals keep saying "law of the land" as a defense while they try to rape the Second Amendment with gun control laws.

Liberal hypocrisy on display!

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eriklatranyi

Oct-13-13 7:30 AM

FortySixand2:

As I recall, you supported defunding the war in Iraq.

HYPOCRITE!!!!!

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FortySixand2

Oct-13-13 7:31 AM

There is and will be no compromise on a duly written and passed law. Elections have consequences! Want to get rid of it? Get the required house and senate majorities and win the Presidency and have at it! Throwing crybaby tantrums and screaming about no compromise is not how we govern in this country.

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