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Changing the wrong path

October 14, 2013

This letter is in response to the meeting last month by the heroin task force. Heroin addiction is far from being a new problem....

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Yoxtheimer

Oct-16-13 1:06 AM

Is smack a dirty word now!?

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Yoxtheimer

Oct-16-13 1:04 AM

The legal and illegal drug trade is too lucrative too stop. Unless you cure greed of which there is no remedy for.

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mariano

Oct-15-13 6:36 PM

Put the ****** dealer away for life. Its hard to sell ****** from behind bars. There would be room in the jail if ****** dealers become the number one priority in the court room. For once lets change current laws to meet future demands. Lets act before society dictates what should have been done long ago. Again a ****** dealer only goes out of business when he is behind bars. This action would be the path of least resistance. Instead of saying a law is a flaw.

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MrShaman

Oct-15-13 11:52 AM

"Success can only be achieved through harsher laws." - Stephen Mariano

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"Yeah...sure..."harsher laws" was how we won The War On Alcohol, right??" - MrShaman

You are SOOOO right, MrShaman. I simply will never understand why people actually think that more laws and more arrests will solve this." - Francine

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I'd always assumed it was the entertainment-value "conservatives" derived, in their effort to make everyone (else) as miserable as "conservatives" (typically) are.

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MrShaman

Oct-15-13 11:48 AM

"And if you want an example of over prescribing by doctors, go to Hollywood." - Capricorn1

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...Or, Miami...or, whereEVER Porky Limbaugh got HIS "fixes".

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MrShaman

Oct-15-13 11:45 AM

"The same type of abuses are happening in the medical marijuana industry, it doesn't take much for a doctor to give you a medical card authorizing you to purchase it." - Capricorn1

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Not a prob!!!

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See:

Legal-Marijuana Trend Spreads as More States Weigh Votes

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In case no one's noticed...Colorado STILL hasn't burst-into-flames.

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MrShaman

Oct-15-13 11:38 AM

"I watched a special on Dateline a few years back covering this exact same story; the over prescribing of pain relieving narcotics. They concentrated their investigation in FL and used hidden cameras. I was amazed at what I saw and the ease people were getting these drugs by simply walking in a doctors office and complaining of back aches or something similar." - Capricorn1

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There's NO WAY I'll suggest there aren't doctors that're hu$tling; dispensing, for-profit. The PROBLEM is the DEA, who thinks THEY (actually) know what's "best", when it comes to pain-management.

It should be obvious, to anyone who's BEEN paying-attention, that...the DEA is much-more concerned about job-security, than they are about peoples' health-and-welfare.

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Capricorn1

Oct-14-13 2:18 PM

And if you want an example of over prescribing by doctors, go to Hollywood.

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Capricorn1

Oct-14-13 2:16 PM

The same type of abuses are happening in the medical marijuana industry, it doesn't take much for a doctor to give you a medical card authorizing you to purchase it. My point was, these opiates have proven to be the gateway to h e r o i n, and with the current epidemic, doctors need to be more stringent on how often they prescribe these drugs and for what purposes.

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Capricorn1

Oct-14-13 2:13 PM

So...you're saying the DEA is MORE-qualified (at pain-management), than doctors???

Wouldn't that ALSO qualify as "the government" managing health-care??

You need to do a "little"-more reading on the whole pain-management conundrum. -Shaman

Shaman, I know you're a smart man and you've done the research with regards to the facts on doctors over prescribing pain medication. Yes, there are many that need pain management, my mother for one and myself included for severe arthritis in my back and shoulder. I was offered pain medication but instead chose physical therapy which offers some relief. I watched a special on Dateline a few years back covering this exact same story; the over prescribing of pain relieving narcotics. They concentrated their investigation in FL and used hidden cameras. I was amazed at what I saw and the ease people were getting these drugs by simply walking in a doctors office and complaining of back aches or something similar.

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MrShaman

Oct-14-13 1:59 PM

"Punishment is medicine." —Aristotle" - Ritty77

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Yeah...that's what we "need"..."health-care"; circa 322 BC.

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MrShaman

Oct-14-13 1:51 PM

"It doesn't help that many doctors give opiate pain killers away like candy and it's been well documented that these pain killers are the gateway drug to h e r o i n." - Capricorn1

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So...you're saying the DEA is MORE-qualified (at pain-management), than doctors???

Wouldn't that ALSO qualify as "the government" managing health-care??

You need to do a "little"-more reading on the whole pain-management conundrum.

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See:

DEA Abuses and Fear Tactics Impact Pain Management

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"It would go a long way toward making pain medicine what it should be: a health care story, not a crime story."

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Ritty77

Oct-14-13 1:49 PM

Save death, nothing cures an addiction so well as a jail cell.

"Punishment is medicine." —Aristotle (h/t: CCCF)

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Tedeaux

Oct-14-13 1:02 PM

Sorry to hear about your friend MrShaman and your family member Capricorn, that is addicted.

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Capricorn1

Oct-14-13 12:48 PM

Cave, many times it's not the fault of the doctors because of the fact that many of those that are addicted, practice doctor shopping in order to get as many prescriptions as possible. Also,in anticipation of the ACA, there are a lot more medical/urgent care clinics opening across the country which makes it even easier for them to shop around. But these pills are much more expensive than h e r i o n and because these addicts don't have insurance, or their insurance will only pay for a certain amount per month, h e r o i n is the cheaper route that often gives them a much more intense high. In case you're wondering, no I'm not an addict, but I do have a family member that is and I've done my research and spoken with her at length.

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CaveFelem

Oct-14-13 12:23 PM

@Capricorn1 - at least some doctors are responsible. I had a very painful medical issue recently which required pain meds, and I was allowed 10 pills, no refills, and there was a discussion about proper dosages, addiction risks, etc.

I took 3, but I'm keeping the other 7 for now in case it flares up again. But, I have no children in the house, and they are hidden away.

After a few months, they'll go to the landfill in cat litter.

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Capricorn1

Oct-14-13 10:16 AM

It doesn't help that many doctors give opiate pain killers away like candy and it's been well documented that these pain killers are the gateway drug to h e r o i n. Once, they are hooked on them, they realize that h e r o i n is much cheaper and easier to obtain. Many kids find these pain killers in their parents medicine cabinets.

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MrShaman

Oct-14-13 8:49 AM

BTW...my friend is dead, now...as a result of the Hepatitis C (he'd contracted)...30 YEARS, AGO!!!

He would be the second-person, I know, who'd died of HEP C ...FIRST-contracted, 30-years-ago. I'm sure there have been numerous-others (here, in Williamsport), who've died of the same.

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MrShaman

Oct-14-13 8:43 AM

"How do you go about getting addicted to it anyway?" - Tedeaux

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I had a friend who'd (first) used H, back in the early/initial(?) days of Williamsport's involvement; late-'60s.

He said...people talk about physical and/or psycological, but...he said...once you "taste" (i.e. shoot/snort) it, you're HOOKED!!!! He'd suggested it was THE best "high" he'd EVER experienced, and how EASY, it was to get addicted!!

Back, then...in Williamsport...purity was (approx.) 17-18%. Presently (nationwide), it's 85-89% pure...thereby eliminating ANY need for "works" (i.e. syringe/spoon, etc.)

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MrShaman

Oct-14-13 8:26 AM

Yeah....you guessed it....

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See:

The Spoils of War: Afghanistan’s Multibillion Dollar H E R O I N Trade

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MrShaman

Oct-14-13 8:24 AM

"The U.S. government is partly responsible for the increase in opium exports due to driving out Taliban leaders in the early years of the war on terrorism." - Capricorn1

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...And, it's not-as-if this is the FIRST time we'd supported the drug-trade, to (covertly) finance a War.

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See:

The Spoils of War: Afghanistan’s Multibillion Dollar ****** Trade

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Archive - Guns, Drugs, And The Cia | Drug Wars | FRONTLINE | PBS

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eriklatranyi

Oct-14-13 8:09 AM

Hero-in is used to control people.

Many of the women trafficked (domestic or international) are forcibly given hero-in to create the very strong, physical addiction.

Once addicted, the user is enslaved to the dealer and will do anything to get their "fix".

Most streetwalkers in large cities are hero-in addicts creating additional income for their drug-dealing pimps.

It is a two-sided problem that requires both tough punishment and tough love.

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Capricorn1

Oct-14-13 6:50 AM

The majority of h e r o i n in the world comes from Afghanistan. The U.S. government is partly responsible for the increase in opium exports due to driving out Taliban leaders in the early years of the war on terrorism. The Taliban was successful in driving down opium production by 99% before being forced from the lands they ruled. The U.S. government even went so far as to collaborate with the local drug lords for their cooperation in locating Taliban forces; in essence turning a blind eye to the production of h e r o i n. Only recently has the U.S steeped up it's efforts to assist the Afghanistan government in attempting to eradicate opium production, but because of wide spread corruption within the Afghanistan government, opium production is still at an all time high, resulting in increased supply across the globe and extremely cheap prices.

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MrShaman

Oct-14-13 6:47 AM

"****** controls individuals. Dealers are motivated by making money. ****** is a lucrative illegal business. When a dealer can make as much as 20,000 dollars a month there is little motivation for them to stop." - Stephen Mariano

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It's called Capitalism.

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"Success can only be achieved through harsher laws." - Stephen Mariano

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Yeah...sure..."harsher laws" was how we won The War On Alcohol, right??

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Tedeaux

Oct-14-13 6:08 AM

I couldn't help but notice that in the Sun Gazette article, they are allowed to use the word h*e*r*o*i*n, but they censor it out of the comments. I feel like a child being scolded for using a "big people word!"

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