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Proof of God

October 14, 2013

Einstein's general theory of relativity, one of the most accurately tested theories in science, proved the universe had a beginning at which time all space, matter, time, and energy came into......

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mikekerstetter

Oct-14-13 6:45 AM

radioactive-"a theory is an unproven scientific law."

Hey, he got you to admit that much. The THEORY of evolution and the big bang THEORY are unproven thoughts on how the universe was created and how life evolved from nothing. The writer is correct, it takes much more faith to believe that we were randomly created out of nothing than it does to believe in an intelligent designer, IE GOD of the Bible. The Case for a Creator by Lee Strobel lays it out pretty well.

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CMReeder

Oct-14-13 7:27 AM

The writer had me until the last paragrph.

"\The evidence for God is overwhelming, but people choose not to believe because they don't want to be held accountable for their actions. This reasoning is the basis of leftist ideology and its atheistic roots. However, denying the existence of God will not absolve someone of their eventual accountability for their actions."

There is a special place in He ll for this writer.

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Steelman

Oct-14-13 7:41 AM

I like how we as humans feel we are so egocentric that we feel we know everything. If you stop and think how there was nothing and then the universe formed and does not make sense. where did the nothing come from? I believe this is something we are making up, because we do not want to believe and are so full of ourselves that we refuse to seek the real truth. Evolution is a farce. If not then why am I not evolving, or human being as a species. Somewhere some one should be changing. Scientifically speaking we should be adapting to the climate change and the pollution that we are creating. Let face the facts we do not know, and it is so hard for these know it alls to say some one is superior to them.

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PSUBIKER

Oct-14-13 8:02 AM

I think we should ask Mr. Shaman, after all he is all knowing and could blame any misgivings on the Tea Baggers.

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eriklatranyi

Oct-14-13 8:13 AM

This LTE thread will be filled quickly with liberals who wish to deny the existence of God by ridiculing those who have faith.

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Darlin

Oct-14-13 8:39 AM

Reeder you must have been referring to yourself and not the reader. How sad that you are such a rooted liberal/atheist that you don't know what you are missing believing in God. I feel sorry for your loss.

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JohnMBower

Oct-14-13 8:54 AM

Funny how some people will look at science's view of evolution and scoff at it because it's a 'theory', but will take an apocryphal storybook, combine that with their lack of understanding of the universe and demand we accept it as 'proof'.

No, you haven't proven the existence of god.

Perhaps you could entice your god to show himself to all of humanity in some way that nobody on earth could dispute? Have him come down and say "y'all still have free will and stuff, but I do exist." Have him check in every generation or so, just to be sure. Maybe he could pop in as needed and tell us all just exactly what his will is.

Think of the wars that we wouldn't have to have.

Some people propose that he doesn't do this because showing himself would remove our free will to choose to love him. What nonsense. If he exists, why shouldn't we love him? As it is, we are the forgotten children of a father who has run off, left to invent reasons how his leaving proves his love for us.

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mikekerstetter

Oct-14-13 9:05 AM

CMReeder-"There is a special place in He ll for this writer."

So much for liberals being all inclusive and non judgemental.

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mikekerstetter

Oct-14-13 9:10 AM

JohnMBower, I don't know that anyone said we have proven God through science. There is quite a difference between empirical science (that which can be tested and duplicated) and theory, which in many cases is nothing but a guess. What I do claim, however, is that science can't prove the big bang theory or darwinism and science has not disproven an intelligent designer.

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enigma

Oct-14-13 9:23 AM

There are two kinds of atheists. The ones who have been deceived into really believing that there is no god, and those that hate God and are waging war with Him. Those who are truly deceived are usually quiet about their atheism. Those who hate God are very vocal indeed, as it is their purpose to take as many others to Heck with them as they possibly can. The atheists posting here are the second type. You can't convince them of the existence of God, because they will not accept it. It is not an intellectual thing with them, it is moral. They have made up their minds and there is little hope for them at this point. Not that we should give up on them. We should not, but we need to keep in mind that they cannot be reasoned into belief, because their disbelief is not a matter of reason. The good news is that this type of reasoned argument can and does work on those who are genuinely deceived.

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DavidBross

Oct-14-13 9:40 AM

Actually, Einstein did not believe in the Singularity, also known as the Big Bang. But, I do agree that there is a Creator. However, I don't believe our existence is an example of an intentional effort by the Creator. I see the Creator as the original Lego company and the atoms, neutrons, protons, etc. are to the Creator as the various blocks Lego makes are to the Lego company. From these basic blocks, a multitude of combinations are possible, and it doesn't take direct involvement of the Creator to make those combinations occur once the building blocks have been created.

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enigma

Oct-14-13 10:02 AM

David, Legos don't put themselves together, and neither do the 'building blocks' of the universe. Have you ever heard of the second law of thermodynamics? The Creator had to have a hand in things, every step of the way. Denying this is just another way of trying to avoid accountability. As the writer said, this will not help you when the time comes to account for your life.

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DavidBross

Oct-14-13 10:39 AM

The building blocks of the universe do put themselves together. But, the energy to do that , and the the range of possibilities way in which the blocks can assemble, was given to them by a Creator when the blocks were initially created. However, that doesn't mean that the Creator makes the building blocks of the Universe assemble in a particular way any more than the Lego company makes people assemble Legos in a particular way. Overall, I just haven't seen any evidence that we are part of a plan, let alone a unique and special part of a plan. I believe the Universe may not exist for us anymore than power lines and telephone poles exist for the birds that find them so useful.

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underwood

Oct-14-13 11:05 AM

One cannot learn about the Cosmos without, at least, considering intelligence is at work here. Religions seek to explain what happened that led to the reality we experience and science seeks to explain how it happened and is happening. Science has come a long way in explaining our reality and it has a long way to go before many unknowns become known. Science isn’t bound to anything but objectivity and as individual thinking people we shouldn’t be either.

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SteelerFan

Oct-14-13 11:07 AM

Life did not form in a vacuum. God created it.

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TommyB

Oct-14-13 11:25 AM

"JohnMBower, I don't know that anyone said we have proven God through science."

Read the OP again. Mr. Mahaffey claimed to have done exactly that, which should make him the smartest man in the universe. It doesn't. He merely is a desperate believe that wishes it was so. in the end, he relies on faith which is belief without evidence. Faith requires the intentional suspension of rational, critical thinking, although he makes a brave attempt.

By the way, you are all ignoring the primary definition of the word "theory"....

Per the Oxford English Dictionary:

Theory, Sense 1: A scheme or system of ideas or statements held as an explanation or account of a group of facts or phenomena; a hypothesis that has not been confirmed or established by observation or experiment, and is propounded or accepted as accounting for the known facts; a statement of what are held to be the general laws, principles, or causes of something known or observed.

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TommyB

Oct-14-13 11:34 AM

"There are two kinds of atheists. The ones who have been deceived into really believing that there is no god, and those that hate God and are waging war with Him."

Seriously? Atheists can't be at war with something in which they do not believe. But there IS a war make no mistake.

There is a war against those dominionists that would attempt to do end runs around the constitution. There is a war against creationists that would have their nonsense taught alongside science in public schools.

Our government at all levels is infested with these people.

You may consider me a soldier in that war.

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JohnMBower

Oct-14-13 12:02 PM

"It must have been a god that created the universe, that created life!"

People say this because they don't want to actually study how these things could have happened and would rather ascribe it to magic.

OK, let's say for a moment that a god created life, the universe and everything.

If we accept that one thing, we suddenly have to buy into the whole load of other nonsense? "Life somehow exists, so therefore, Jesus."?

Because some amino acids fell together and created organisms a few million or billion years ago and you all can't believe it's possible, we all should all be forced to live by your "magic man in the sky" theory and a rule book with unicorns, monsters and fairies?

No thank you. I'd rather live out my 80 years or so and not know, than indulge in your delusions and hate.

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TommyB

Oct-14-13 12:23 PM

On the Second Law of Thermodynamics:

"When creationists say, as they frequently do, the theory of evolution contradicts the Second Law of Thermodynamics, they are telling us no more than they do not understand the Second Law (we already knew that they don't understand evolution). There IS no contradiction because of the sun!"

---Richard Dawkins, pg. 415 "The Greatest Show On Earth" (2009)

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TommyB

Oct-14-13 12:58 PM

'This LTE thread will be filled quickly with liberals who wish to deny the existence of God by ridiculing those who have faith."

Better look again. I see far more arrogance and condescension from theists than I do from others. Like THIS one:

"Reeder you must have been referring to yourself and not the reader. How sad that you are such a rooted liberal/atheist that you don't know what you are missing believing in God. I feel sorry for your loss."

Not to mention the OP.

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CMReeder

Oct-14-13 12:59 PM

"So much for liberals being all inclusive and non judgemental."

You mean like the right don't you or only your side can judge everyone.

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TommyB

Oct-14-13 1:02 PM

"If this being is omnipotent then every occurrence, including every human action, every human thought, and every human feeling and aspiration is also His work; how is it possible to think of holding men responsible for their deeds and thoughts before such an almighty Being? In giving out punishment and rewards He would to a certain extent be passing judgment on Himself. How can this be combined with the goodness and righteousness ascribed to Him?"

---A. Einstein

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TommyB

Oct-14-13 1:09 PM

'The only logical conclusion for a beginning is the universe was created by a supernatural being beyond the dimension of time."

In other words, MAGIC. Are you serious? Do you believe in ghosts? Vampires? Unicorns? Fairies?

You use the word LOGIC and SUPERNATURAL in the same sentence. STUNNING!

And then you cite as research a set of bible DVD's. There is ALSO archaeological evidence that the exodus never occurred and that Canaan was destroyed from within by peasants rebelling against there wealthy masters.

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JohnMBower

Oct-14-13 1:38 PM

"Are you serious? Do you believe in ghosts? Vampires? Unicorns? Fairies?"

Vampires, ghosts, unicorns and fairies are in THE BIBLE, so if you don't believe in them, you are a heretic and will spend eternity in a pit of fire and brimstone.

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Johnjr

Oct-14-13 1:44 PM

PSU beat Michigan....there is a God!

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