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October 16, 2013

So the shutdown stops military death benefits....

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Capricorn1

Oct-16-13 4:19 AM

Obama signed the bill authorizing these payments since the submission of this letter.

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VinceKnauff

Oct-16-13 5:38 AM

Obama signed that bill only because of the outrage that stoppage produced. Truth is - the government shutdown stopped whatever Obama wanted to have stopped. And it didn't shut down anything Obama wanted to stay open. Barackacading national monuments with fencing while keeping Obama's favorite golf course open is appalling. Shutting off the Amber alert system (since restored due to outrage) while keeping Moochelle's Let's Move propaganda site up is another example of Obama choosing to shut off things he believes will cause the most pain. Arrogance and spite is on full display here. And people are seeing it.

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MrShaman

Oct-16-13 6:46 AM

"So the shutdown stops military death benefits. It would be very interesting to learn just how many of these elected politicians ever placed themselves in harms way? Do they realize that we are in the middle of a never ending war?" - Howard Ebner

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See:

Me & Ted - Talking Points Memo

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Don521

Oct-16-13 7:17 AM

Hatred for Pres Obama flourishes onward!

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rick424

Oct-16-13 7:18 AM

"And people are seeing it."

Yes they are but not the way you are seeing it. Time will tell but I think the republicans made a big mistake.

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Capricorn1

Oct-16-13 7:26 AM

Yes they are but not the way you are seeing it. Time will tell but I think the republicans made a big mistake. -Rick

What's sad is everyone is so wrapped up in who's at fault for the shutdown and too many are completely overlooking the fact that this country is 17 trillion dollars in debt and climbing and nothing is being done to reign in spending. It's all about who's party comes out of this on top and that thinking will continue us down the path of unsustainable spending. Personally I could care less which party does it, but how about passing a balanced budget and working on ways to responsibly cut government spending in a way that will start to reduce the debt. Isn't that what we all have to do in our personal lives?

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VinceKnauff

Oct-16-13 7:26 AM

Time will tell but I think the republicans made a big mistake.

The only mistake the Republicans are making is not having the cojones to stand firm on this position. The Republicans have the upper hand here but don't have the nerve to play their cards to win. People are seeing the stonewalling that is coming from Harry Reid's Senate and Obama's veto stamp. The media is trying their darndest to shill for the Democrats but the people (some of them....) are seeing through the fog and are aware of just who and why this stalemate is continuing. Harry Reid's gaffe about not wanting to fund cancer research got more play than you know.

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VinceKnauff

Oct-16-13 7:30 AM

Capricorn - you are awake. You are not still asleep and dreaming. Your fingers actually were typing those words.

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rick424

Oct-16-13 7:46 AM

The only mistake is Obama not telling the far right to take a hike. This is clearly politics at play here and they don't have the best interest of the people. The tea party wackos have said they will shut it down. Some how the Koch brothers have something to do with this.

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CMReeder

Oct-16-13 8:01 AM

As soon as people object to a federal program not being available the republicans scramble and quickly pass a bill for that one program. They did not mean for that to happen and still the republicans can not get a bill through that would reopen the government. Why is that they only want republicans agreeing to it.

The republicans are not doing themselves any favors with what they are doing.

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MrShaman

Oct-16-13 8:14 AM

Yes they are but not the way you are seeing it. Time will tell but I think the republicans made a big mistake. -Rick

What's sad is everyone is so wrapped up in who's at fault for the shutdown and too many are completely overlooking the fact that this country is 17 trillion dollars in debt and climbing and nothing is being done to reign in spending." - Capricorn1

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This morning (on "Morning Joe"), Mort Zuckerman made the PERFECT analogy!!!! (The video isn't available, yet)

"When two guys are fighting, on the edge of a cliff...you don't ask who's right...you ask 'WHY-THE-HELL ARE TWO GUYS FIGHTING, ON THE EDGE OF A CLIFF???'"

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eriklatranyi

Oct-16-13 8:19 AM

The Tea Party did not create the debt.

The Tea Party is trying to have a discussion about our debt.

This gov't has been run without a budget since President Obama was elected.

The Senate refused to consider any budget presented to them by the President or the House for nearly 5 years.

The President, who gave speeches and opposed raising the debt ceiling is now telling us it should be automatic.

A federal Park Service Ranger admitted being ordered to make life as difficult as possible in order to make Americans feel the most pain as a result of the partial government shutdown brought about by Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid's refusal to work with Republicans on a plan to fund the government.

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Capricorn1

Oct-16-13 8:19 AM

"When two guys are fighting, on the edge of a cliff...you don't ask who's right...you ask 'WHY-THE-HELL ARE TWO GUYS FIGHTING, ON THE EDGE OF A CLIFF???'" -Shaman

Exactly!!!

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MrShaman

Oct-16-13 8:21 AM

Time will tell but I think the republicans made a big mistake.

The only mistake the Republicans are making is not having the cojones to stand firm on this position. The Republicans have the upper hand here but don't have the nerve to play their cards to win." - VinceKnauff

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PLEASE!!!! Republicans are MORE-than-happy allowing the T-Baggers to push for a one-year-delay, of Obamacare, to make it THE "issue" of the 2014 elections!!!

The LAST things Republicans want, is for Obamacare to go, forward...and, seeing it going WILDLY-SUCCESSFUL...before the 2014 elections.

The T-Baggin' Class O' 2010 have (already) shown their "hand".

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MrShaman

Oct-16-13 8:27 AM

The only mistake is Obama not telling the far right to take a hike. This is clearly politics at play here and they don't have the best interest of the people. The tea party wackos have said they will shut it down. Some how the Koch brothers have something to do with this." - rick424

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Somehow???????

The Koch Brothers (just) recently executed the other-half of a full-blown FLIP/FLOP.

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See:

Obamacare Fight Gets Too Hot For Kochs: We’re Not Backing GOP’s Shutdown Tactics

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MrShaman

Oct-16-13 8:33 AM

"The Tea Party did not create the debt." - eriklatranyi

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'Tis TRUE!!! They never (actually) "DISCOVERED" politics, until November 2008..."coincidentally", right-AFTER we'd elected our first, Black President.

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See:

Right America Feeling Wronged pt1 - YouTube

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Alsever

Oct-16-13 10:30 AM

Have any of YOU actually served? Anyone have friends who died in Viet Nam while their families still lived in Dependent housing on a military base? The republicans made sure those families had to vacate their housing within 30 days of losing their family member in combat---and they did NOT get their $10,000 in that month! We had to collect money in the barracks to get bus fare so young families could return to their home towns to bury their family member.

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KB3KUK

Oct-16-13 11:03 AM

A Revolution is Comming!

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Capricorn1

Oct-16-13 11:32 AM

The republicans made sure those families had to vacate their housing within 30 days of losing their family member in combat -Alsever

Neither republicans nor democrats control the policies enforced by the housing department at military bases and each branch of service has their own policies; many times policies even change from base to base depending on housing needs. During the draft housing was in extremely short supply which drove those policies. Right or wrong, it's the way of the military.

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BornHere

Oct-16-13 11:42 AM

Alsever, my husband served during Viet Nam and he said you are correct.

Many times as he put it he witnessed families of fallen soldiers "booted out to the curb" with no money and no way back to their home towns. He had friends who's families did not receive the death benefits until 6 months to a year later.

I would like to thank you for helping these families in their time of need.

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VinceKnauff

Oct-16-13 12:09 PM

'The republicans made sure those families had to vacate their housing within 30 days of losing their family member in combat' Al said.

Please elaborate on that claim. How exactly were Republicans at responsible for those policies? As Cap said, the military had their own rules. And what did Republicans control then? Seems like Congress was held by Democrats all through the Vietnam war.

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Capricorn1

Oct-16-13 12:36 PM

He had friends who's families did not receive the death benefits until 6 months to a year later. -Bornhere

During the Vietnam War many life insurance companies refused to cover military service members. As a result, the government established the Servicemen's Group Life Insurance(SGLI)Program in 1965. Now anyone that has been in the military or worked in government knows how slow the wheels turn when working through the paperwork required to get anything done. This was a brand new program being run by the government and it took many years to get it to the point it's at today. Like the housing policy, right or wrong, it's the way of the military.

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rmiller

Oct-16-13 12:53 PM

Cap,

"Obama signed the bill authorizing these payments since the submission of this letter."

True, political persuasion - great motivator!

Howard, no one can accuse you of not being fair and balanced.

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rmiller

Oct-16-13 12:56 PM

Rick,

"The only mistake is Obama..."

If that were only true.

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Ritty77

Oct-16-13 1:23 PM

Dear House of Representatives,

Please amend the Reid/McConnell "deal" and return it to the Senate. Thank you.

Best wishes, Keith. XOXO

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