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Lack of leadership

October 17, 2013

A president skilled at leadership will get opposing lawmakers together and work with them to hammer out legislation that all can accept. They may not like all of it, but things get done....

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rmiller

Oct-21-13 10:47 PM

Forty,

I have made an effort to straighten this out. Now, will you do me the courtesy of telling me and everyone else you have insulted and accused of being racist....why we are racist? You must have some basis even if wrong, just as I was.

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FortySixand2

Oct-21-13 6:32 PM

RMiller, you can spin it any way you like. It's your story and you're sticking with it. What really gets me is the contortions the right goes through to appear not racist. A historical well used tactic is accuse the black person of racism. When white Christians in America have been saddled with 400 years of slavery perpetrated by the black man, then come talk to me about racism. In the mean time keep blowing the dog whistle and pretend it's Obama's fault.

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rmiller

Oct-21-13 10:26 AM

Scott,

Thank you for your response. I know I'm not perfect - latest posts by me bear that out. I'm only forgiven, never will be perfect in this lifetime! :)

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Scott36

Oct-21-13 10:10 AM

rmiller, I will comment on one of your points--Obama's choosing to identify himself as "black". This is one of my criticisms of him. I have, and do not respect anyone who would "turn their back", so to speak on any part of their heritage. It is just the way I feel. This being said, I do not know of very many people who could be considered "perfect" by all standards. It IMHO, is just the way we were created.-Scott

P.S.-Do not worry about the "mother", "grandmother" Gaff, I knew what person you were talking about. Have a nice Day!!-Scott

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rmiller

Oct-21-13 8:05 AM

Again....

"The trouble is Republicans can't because their racially charged rhetoric alienates minorities"

I've spoken to several black persons during working polls on election day. Educated black people, didn't necessarily vote for him and they didn't want people assuming that they did. Quit with the race card already. He doesn't like his white side for goodness sakes...who is the racist? You fail to address this comment, as do many liberals. Obama himself spoke to this in his book. Why can't someone, anyone from the left address this comment?

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rmiller

Oct-21-13 8:01 AM

You, unlike Scott, verociously attacked my assertion that he was present during his mother's death. O.K., I doubled back and I was wrong. She died a day before the election and he visited the island of Hawaii, two weeks prior for two days. Leave it alone, or at least acknowledge that I apologized - not because I admitted my errors, but because it shows more thought on your part to discuss something rationally, as opposed to attacking an individual personally. I don't need your apology, but I did need to speak to truth, thank you for calling me on it. Likewise, USABorn raised truthful statements, one can't deny truth on one hand and attack a falsehood on the other. Double mindedness removes objectivity.

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rmiller

Oct-21-13 7:56 AM

FortySix,

Please stop trying to destroy the facts about this person - who is the president. USABorn is simply pointing out facts - not suppositions. He is not a Christian, as he claimed and is indeed a muslim sympathizer. In his book, coined his words, "I left my white heritage"......who is the racist? His history is and continues to be shrouded with unanswered questions. We do not, and I repeat, do not have issue with his skin color. It is his policies combined with his shaded past (what we know of it) that has garnered the suspect in many. You can't identify that it is his skin color when he himself divorced himself from his white side. I have apologized for my alleging and misinformation on the timing of his grandmother's death and or his active involvement. But, I will not apologize for my thoughts/rational thinking - not feelings - about his history/current failure as a leader.

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FortySixand2

Oct-21-13 6:21 AM

Their inability to craft a credible strategic response to these insecurities only serves to reinforce them. "You don't like a particular policy or a particular president?" taunted Obama last week. "Go out there and win an election." The trouble is Republicans can't because their racially charged rhetoric alienates minorities, leaving them more electorally isolated, prompting defeat – which leaves them ever more divided. Meanwhile, their reckless obstruction in Congress, which nearly triggered a default, makes the nation's descent into chaos more likely. Unable to come to terms with the country in which they live, they are complicit in creating the very future they most fear.

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FortySixand2

Oct-21-13 6:20 AM

Finally, there is Obama – the black son of an African immigrant and white mother – who stands as an emblem for all this unease, personifying, in their minds, not only their political impotence today but their demographic irrelevance tomorrow. The word they're most likely to use to describe him is "liar". But their hostility goes beyond his policies and pronouncements to a deeply rooted suspicion of his authenticity. From the Guardian UK

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USABorn

Oct-20-13 11:06 PM

His political activity in Kenya has consistently been in favor of the Muslims and Muslim political bosses there.

He supports the Muslim Brotherhood which is against (and murders)christians.

His father, grandfather, step-father and nearly all his siblings are muslim.

Obama was registered as a Muslim in a school in Indonesia. He is reported to be able to recite the Muslim call to prayer with a perfect Arabic accent. He says, himself, that the prettiest sound at sunset is the Muslim call to prayer.

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USABorn

Oct-20-13 11:02 PM

FortySixand2 - 6:34 AM

"Raised a Muslim" Pretty remarkable, considering he was raised by his Caucasian Christian grandparents in Hawaii."

He didn't go to his grandparents until he was 10. They were NON-PRACTICING Baptists.

Dumbama's mother was a self-touted atheist. On page 50 of his book he wrote, "My mother's confidence in needlepoint virtues depended on a faith I didn't possess, a faith that she would refuse to describe as religious; that in fact, her experience told her was sacrilegious...

In his 2006 book, "The Audacity of Hope," Obama wrote, "I was not raised in a religious household ...

Slips of the tongue: Obama said he would campaign in all 57 states (the number of Islamic states in the OIC at the UN) rather than all 50 states. He also said, "My Muslim faith," in an interview with George Stephanapolous.

Obama, if truly baptized, would have taken a Christian baptismal name. He continues to go by his Muslim name.

cont'd

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rmiller

Oct-20-13 10:53 PM

Scott,

As to the suggestion that his grandmother dying not getting more coverage, it wasn't a big deal. I would have thought that since he was the first black person to run for office, that the media would have been all over her death. They weren't. She died one day before the election and reports confirmed that while Obama stayed in Hawaii, those two days, he spent a fraction of the time alone with her, no other family involved. All this timing around the dispute of his BS. It's over, the both elections are done. And, I don't trust him. I must however, in light of my misinformation, clarify where I was wrong, admit it and look to the current events. I do know that candidates get SS detail once announcing their desire to run for the office of president, along with their families. I doubt that means grand parents too, but would be curious if someone more knowledgeable than myself could answer that question.

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rmiller

Oct-20-13 10:44 PM

that should read, "when his grandmother died," not his mother.

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rmiller

Oct-20-13 10:31 PM

My apologies, I was wrong.

I was wrong about Obama being there when his mother died.

I apparently got lost in the quagmire of all that was going on, during that time in our history, much of which we will never know truths to.

Herein is where I am not wrong, according to several news avenues. Obama went to see his grandmother who was dying, approximately two weeks before the election. She died the day before the election. While he was in Hawaii, the debate about the legitimacy of his BS was at heightened notice. ABC, stated that during the visit of his dying grandmother, he spent perhaps about two hours of the two day visit with her, alone. One thing is most likely to be truth...she would know of his legitimacy to run for president of this country. She isn't alive to tell anything, that is a fact. But, I do apologize for the facts as I originally presented them, they were false, as I know it to be.

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rmiller

Oct-20-13 9:58 PM

FortySix,

Chill. I'm not suggesting "he killed his grandmother." I said, she died while he was visiting her, she was at her death bed, go back and do the story. Wait, I'll do the homework and come back. You surely are upset, why would (even if I'm wrong) the suggestion that he might be culpable in person(s) die under his watch (does Benghazi ring a bell) be surprising? I am going to double back.

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Scott36

Oct-20-13 5:35 PM

The first time in history, a black man runs for president of the US, his "loving grandmother" gets very sick, he rushes to her side and he comes back after a brief serenade, and life goes on as normal? No media hype, no sensationalism, no nothing but a few clips from the news.-rmiller

Where did you hear this scenario?

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Scott36

Oct-20-13 5:31 PM

Much to the disappointment of his rivals in both parties, these disclosures stand no chance of derailing his potential campaign and may end up adding to Obama's unconventional appeal. "-tinfoil2

Yea, that "honesty" stuff will get ya all the time.

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FortySixand2

Oct-20-13 5:25 PM

Wowowowo! Time out! Stop! Rmiller, are you #+6:7&#?7?7 ing SERIOUS! Stop! Just stop. You are directly and without a doubt suggesting that Barack Obama killed his grandma! Are you cussing serious? No! Your not a racist! Your bleeping bat guano crazy is what you are. I remember it quite clearly. She didn't die "while" he was visiting her. Are you on meds or maybe off them, as the case may be? I think you may need some help.

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rmiller

Oct-20-13 4:30 PM

Off to church again in an hour or so to listen to a Godly preacher "rightly dividing" the Word of God.....we are fortunate to have the pastor we have. God is blessing our ministry with growth as a result of being obedient to Him. Our pastor points people to Christ, not himself or his agenda. I'm 61, and have seen my share of Pastors, something very different about this one, this church.

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rmiller

Oct-20-13 3:48 PM

There are two black people that I would like to see step up to the plate if you will for the republican party. I believe they would both make excellent leaders, but as it stands now, I don't foresee either of them pursuing a life in the WH. I'm certain I speak for many here, the accusation of racism is old, unfair and simply an outrageous claim by the left/progressive crowd. Of course people get defensive. Most people here don't know the other posters and as such, can't know their lives or their likes/dislikes. I'm just saying!

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rmiller

Oct-20-13 3:41 PM

When he went to visit her, she died curiously, cremated quickly and body ashes gone to sea. The first time in history, a black man runs for president of the US, his "loving grandmother" gets very sick, he rushes to her side and he comes back after a brief serenade, and life goes on as normal? No media hype, no sensationalism, no nothing but a few clips from the news. But, hey, I don't dare go there, do I? Apparently, no one else suggested something wasn't right, but that was amidst other contrary and dubious issues arising. This was never about him being black for me, but it was about his dark and jaded history (well what we had to work with). He's only got a few more years and this will be over. I know, and God knows this is not a race issue for me and I suspect others on this forum. For whatever reason, the left keeps wanting to make this about race, because it diminishes the deeper and darker side of him that has absolutely nothing to do with race.

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rmiller

Oct-20-13 3:32 PM

Scott,

Thank you for the kind words, but anything good you see in this wretched soul, is Him, not me. I want to point people to Him and not me. He is the answer to all of our world's problems - He always has been. The further we get from Him, the worse our country gets.

FortySix,

You mentioned his Caucasian Christian grandparents? He wasn't raised entirely by them, there were intermittent persons, John Ayers comes to mind that held much influence in his life. O decided to leave his "white" side and cling to the black. His words, not mine. I find it curious enough that during O's first campaign, he left in the middle of a strategic point, and went to visit his then "sick, very sick" grandmother. She would be the "white" grandmother who spent much time in his life and undoubtedly knew more about him than any other individual, outside of his mom. cont.

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Scott36

Oct-20-13 9:41 AM

Capricorn1--Just a simple question, What "tactics" am I using. I am simply reacting to posts, and speaking my mind. That said if I can adjust my way of delivering my thoughts so as not to bruise any feelings, I would welcome the advice.-Scott

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Scott36

Oct-20-13 9:36 AM

rmiller, Thank you for the response. It has given me a small glimpse into your inner feelings. For whatever it is worth, I feel your heart is in the "right place". We do have some minor differences, but that is the way life is. By the time you read this, I would assume you have returned from Church. I sincerely hope it was an exceptionally uplifting day for you. God Bless, and Have a Safe & Pleasant day-Scott

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Scott36

Oct-20-13 9:30 AM

Capricorn1--Ok, I will answer your questions, point by point. 1:Did Reverend Wright have any effect on Obama's life? I am sure that it has, however to assume it molded his entire political beliefs, is silly IMO. I sincerely wish I could understand how one's choice in whom preforms the Baptisms, etc. has anything to do with politics.(IMO, grasping at straws)2: Listening to a radical such as Wright? Impact? possibly, but no more than those in power that listen to, and might I add call, a drug addict for advice. You may call this attacking, but in politics, & other things in my life that I find important, I speak my mind. I do not just say what is convenient to get the rest of the gang to agree with me. Challenge me as you have done so far. That is healthy. I feel that a career Marine should not get offended so easy, that is not what my intentions were. Trust me, you will KNOW if I intend to be nothing but "on the attack".-Scott

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