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Misuse of the Bible

October 19, 2013

As I read the opinion column the other day, I found it interesting how a man misused the Holy Bible. I myself try not to measure a man by his political party but rather his character and intellect....

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sideliner

Oct-19-13 5:18 AM

For someone telling another not to use the Bible to make a point, he sure did use the Bible to make a point.

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mikekerstetter

Oct-19-13 5:51 AM

Ron Dudley-"America has the best heath care in the world no country with socialized medicine can measure up to our standard. "

For the most part, Mr Dudley is on the mark. His point about the Bible not saying that Government should take from us to help the poor, but rather it being a personal mandate, is something I've said a few times.

The one thing I disagree on is the statement above. While I agree that we do have some world class health care, we are not exempt from failings. For every 'horror' story someone posts from countries with 'socialized' medicine, you can find the exact same thing happening here. From disapprovals for procedures and medications to misdiagnoses to months long waits to get into a Dr or having to drive for hours to get medical care, we have them all.

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mikekerstetter

Oct-19-13 5:58 AM

And let's not forget the biggest failing; that people without insurance or the ability to pay can be and are being denied treatments and care for serious illnesses and conditions beyond emergency care to keep them barely alive and comfortable. Ours is not this Utopian Health Care System a lot of people want us to believe. For most people the wait to see the Orthopedic Hand Specialist at Geisinger is 5 - 8 months. For those of us in this area who have insurance and/or the resources to pay, ours is a decent system but for those without or those in some of the rural areas it could stand some improvement.

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eriklatranyi

Oct-19-13 6:09 AM

We already know how unchecked liberalism will deal with religion through their actions today.

Student prohibited from thanking God when they graduate.

Christmas banned.

Religious symbols must be hidden from public view.

People of faith ridiculed and denigrated while atheists are praised and protected.

So, when a liberal claims the Bible supports their ideology, it is clear that we are being deceived.

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CarlHiller

Oct-19-13 6:23 AM

Mr. Dudley, very good letter. America had the best health care system, it is no longer the best today. It would be more than fair to call our system of health care, Fascist, or more precisely, corporatist. Obamacare doesn't change this it magnifies it. "Get informed think outside the box that a political party puts you in; these parties are not the party of your grandfather." Just like your Grandfathers Oldsmobile the Republican party will go the way of the whigs and the Democratic party will become more militant.

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DavidBross

Oct-19-13 8:14 AM

"America has the best heath care in the world no country with socialized medicine can measure up to our standard." Health care in Japan, Germany can give us a good run for our money. But, the issue with our healthcare is not with quality, it is with access to that health care. Again, Germany and Japan have healthier, longer living citizens because they have a better solution to access than we do. And, costs per person for this healthcare are lower than they are in the US.

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msgjsheets

Oct-19-13 8:22 AM

Something that is always missed in the discussion of European countries with socialized medicine is the fact that they have lived since WWII with military defense subsidized by the United States. As we enter into the early steps of socialized medicine that will only get bigger, something else is going to have to go. It will be interesting to see what those other countries do when our military shrinks (and it will). It will also be interesting to see how the hard working who used to earn their health insurance feel when they are waiting for treatment in line behind those who simply have it provided for them.

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CMReeder

Oct-19-13 8:25 AM

"I myself try not to measure a man by his political party but rather his character and intellect." Ron Dudley

Then you proceed in the rest of your letter to do exactly that.

Conservatives do not possess Christianity nor are they standard bearers of Christianity. Christianity is not conservativism.

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CarlHiller

Oct-19-13 8:37 AM

CMReeder - So correct, "Christianity is not conservativism." Conservatism perverts Christianity just as surely as liberalism. One only has to consider the willingness of Republicans to cut food stamps or social welfare, but not corporate welfare. Or the liberals desire to take from one to give to others.

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MrShaman

Oct-19-13 8:43 AM

"America has the best heath care in the world no country with socialized medicine can measure up to our standard. Try to understand what this shut down is all about." - Ron Dudley

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I think I'd prefer the opinion of someone who's (actually) "been there".

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See:

Q&A: T.R. Reid - YouTube

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Capricorn1

Oct-19-13 8:45 AM

One only has to consider the willingness of Republicans to cut food stamps or social welfare, but not corporate welfare. -Carl

Carl, why weren't measures passed to reduce corporate welfare during the first half of Obama's presidency when democrats had full control? I think it's naive to pin corporate welfare strictly on republicans and think big business lobbyist have no democrats in their pockets.

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MrShaman

Oct-19-13 8:49 AM

"For someone telling another not to use the Bible to make a point, he sure did use the Bible to make a point." - sideliner

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I (especially) "enjoyed"...."I am a God fearing born again spirit filled, free thinking American."

I'm always amused by those folks (who's lives are guided by "absolutes"), when they insist they are "free thinking".

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hopeforfuture

Oct-19-13 8:51 AM

Conservatives do not possess Christianity nor are they standard bearers of Christianity. Christianity is not conservatism.-CMReeder

WOW I actually agree with you. Christianity is a personal quest while conservatism is following the traditions of a society. In America those two views are very closely intertwined while in other parts of the world Conservative thinking could be following the strict following of Buddhism or Muslim way of life. Or even the head hunters.

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CarlHiller

Oct-19-13 8:53 AM

Capricorn - Correct, both sides have issues with both objects I pointed out and many more. It was the reference that most can see due to the duplicitous behavior of both. Democrats are just as guilty as Republicans, as are Republicans just as guilty as Democrats. The whole point is that the Christianity is perverted by conservatives as well as liberals.

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Capricorn1

Oct-19-13 8:54 AM

Carl... to that we are in agreement.

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MrShaman

Oct-19-13 9:02 AM

We already know how unchecked liberalism will deal with religion through their actions today.

Student prohibited from thanking God when they graduate.

Christmas banned.

Religious symbols must be hidden from public view.

People of faith ridiculed and denigrated while atheists are praised and protected.

So, when a liberal claims the Bible supports their ideology, it is clear that we are being deceived." - eriklatranyi

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...And, most people are quite-familiar with the "conservative"/capitalist-variation on "The Golden Rule"; i.e. "He who has all the gold, makes all the rules."

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MrShaman

Oct-19-13 9:17 AM

Mr. Dudley, very good letter. America had the best health care system, it is no longer the best today. It would be more than fair to call our system of health care, Fascist, or more precisely, corporatist. Obamacare doesn't change this it magnifies it." - CarlHiller

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I'm always amazed at how ignorant (too many) people are, regarding that.

The President ORIGINALLY preferred single-payer. DURING health-care negotiations, Republicans were ALSO fighting extending unemployment-insurance.

The final-deal? The President GOT UC extended...when he'd agreed to the present health-care system (as insurance-companies preferred); i.e. EVERYONE would be required to carry health-care insurance.

To "sweeten" the deal...health-insurance companies PROMISED lower-rates...due to increased-participation.

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eriklatranyi

Oct-19-13 9:20 AM

No political group misuses religion more than islamists.

Given the above, liberals defend islamists more than any other religious group (not counting atheists).

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MrShaman

Oct-19-13 9:29 AM

One only has to consider the willingness of Republicans to cut food stamps or social welfare, but not corporate welfare. -Carl

Carl, why weren't measures passed to reduce corporate welfare during the first half of Obama's presidency when democrats had full control?" - Capricorn1

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Yeah...we SAW how "well" that worked-out, when the President started referencing the subsidies (to health-insurance companies), via BU$HCO's Medicare "D" hu$tle.

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See:

Sacramento Gray Panthers Prescription Drug Plan Medicare Part D

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streetmachine

Oct-19-13 9:35 AM

there are several ways to get out of town there are sveral ways to god rather islamic, christian, jew or any other way god has an open door to all as long as you find him that is all he wants people to live a godly life i my self read just one of the instuction books he gave us THE B. I. B .L. E. BASIC INSTUCTIONS BEFORE LIVING ETERNITY GOD IS MERCFUL HE WANTS US ALL TO COME IN ANY WAY HE CAN

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MrShaman

Oct-19-13 9:48 AM

"...in other parts of the world Conservative thinking could be following the strict following of Buddhism..." - hopeforfuture

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This was meant as sarcasm, right??

No one could POSSIBLY be THIS stupid.

Conservatives are (TOO-much) plugged-into the whole "perpetual-forgiveness" trip. The LAST thing that concerns them is Karma (the Indian-version of "The Golden Rule").

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Capricorn1

Oct-19-13 9:52 AM

Carl, why weren't measures passed to reduce corporate welfare during the first half of Obama's presidency when democrats had full control?" - Capricorn1

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Yeah...we SAW how "well" that worked-out, when the President started referencing the subsidies (to health-insurance companies), via BU$HCO's Medicare "D" hu$tle. -Shaman

As usual you use deflection, I'll ask again and even be more specific for you; what bills were introduced by democrats to reduce corporate welfare during the first two years of Obama's presidency when democrats controlled both the House and Senate?

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MrShaman

Oct-19-13 9:58 AM

"The whole point is that the Christianity is perverted by conservatives as well as liberals." - CarlHiller

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Whatta "great" concept...blending our "experiment in democracy"...with a perverted-religion!!!

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CarlHiller

Oct-19-13 10:04 AM

"I'm always amazed at how ignorant (too many) people are, regarding that.

The President ORIGINALLY preferred single-payer."

I too am amazed at the ignorance of many people when it comes to the issues relating to the health care act. So many do not realize this legislation was written by the same industry that effectually regulates your health care at the behest of Repubs and Dems alike. Born by the Heritage Foundation, and only supported by "liberals/progressives" because it was passed by a Democrat president and not supported by Republicans for the exact same reasoning. It is totally absurd. It was simply a ticket for the health care and insurance industry to transfer wealth upwards. While I would encourage and support a truly free-market approach we are at the point of no return where the only viable option now is to go to a single-payer system.

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MrShaman

Oct-19-13 10:04 AM

No political group misuses religion more than islamists." - eriklatranyi

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Quite the religious-"scholar", are you??

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See:

Christian Atrocities | Victims of Christianity | Catholic Church Inquisition | Crusades

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