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The war on Christianity

October 22, 2013

In a recent letter entitled War on Christianity the writer would have us believe that it is the Republicans who are not in step with the New Testament and that the Democrats are....

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rmiller

Oct-23-13 10:15 PM

Here's two that throw some a curve. Notice how there are three wise men at the nativity scenes viewed world wide? The Bible never tells us there were three wise men. It also shows the wise men at the nativity. They weren't at the nativity, they came to the home Jesus was residing at when he was a young "child."

Next, Easter is generally celebrated by the traditional Good Friday til Sunday. The Bible tells us that Jesus would be in the earth three days and three nights. You can't get three days and three nights from Friday til Sunday morning which is when He resurrected. So, that puts His crucifixion/death on Thursday, possibly Wednesday, depending on how one does the math.

It shows how man has (not God) subverted the Word of God. Does a twist here and there matter? For me, it is relevant that truth be told, about the truth of God. So, yes, it matters because someone, somewhere out there might be reading this and it is my responsibility to share "the truth.

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Scott36

Oct-23-13 7:40 PM

rmiller, Thank you for yet another civil exchange! The bible is such an interesting book, as to your tad of trivia, I love it! You can learn a lot from trivia. Have a Safe,& Pleasant evening!-Scott

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rmiller

Oct-23-13 5:09 PM

Scott and David,

Thanks again for your kind responses.

OT people relied on the hand of God as their guidance and validation concerning a procedural commandment/directive from God (as He gave the procedure to Moses. I'm surmising that the water wasn't "laced" because once the commandment was obeyed, God would have moved. The OT people had a stronger faith than many in the NT. The book of Hebrews has what we call the "hall of faith" chapter 11, where God details some of the particular people from the OT that acted out of faith (literally). Christ had not yet appeared unto man as human yet. I do admit, the passage you posed to me, Scott...was interesting. :) I'm glad I had the support of the commentary. BTW, much of the Bible's early manuscripts were written in Greek, Hebrew, and Aramaic. Many don't know this. Just some trivia :)

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DavidBross

Oct-23-13 2:42 PM

Rmiller, I will echo Scott36's thanks for your thoughtful posts. I appreciate the care and concern that went into them. I will be re-reading them and thinking about them. Thanks again.

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Scott36

Oct-23-13 12:35 PM

rmiller, Thank you for the thoughtful response. I need to do a little more research, but it is not clear to me that the water given to the woman was not "laced" with something that induced a miscarriage. Some of the terminology also needs deeper research. I also realize that this is from the OT. In the future maybe we will touch on this again. Once again, Thank You for the response-Scott

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Steelman

Oct-23-13 8:43 AM

Reading through these posts, I find those who are offended by the human scarifies are the same in previous post that claim the bible is a bunch of fairytales. How is one offended by fairytales? Regardless if you believe in the bible or not you all seem offended by human sacrificing, but abortion is ok? Please pick one side or the other, or I guess if keep changing your morals life becomes a lot easier. I tend to fear the old adage “what if my mom decided to have an abortion?”

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rmiller

Oct-23-13 7:01 AM

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...Or, MORE-accurately...since the inception of God by man. "

Pretty much what Lucifer said before he got thrown out of heaven.

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MrShaman

Oct-23-13 6:32 AM

"If you take the whole Bible into consideration, there are many instances in the Old Testament where innocent lives are brutally ended on behalf of God."

Good morning David. Innocent lives have been shed since the inception of man by God." - rmiller

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...Or, MORE-accurately...since the inception of God by man.

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See:

Lewis Black - The Old Testament [YouTube]

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CMReeder

Oct-23-13 12:40 AM

Erik posts; I guess our strong support of Israel (stronger than any liberal) just makes you look like the fecal discharge opening you are!

What a Christian thing to say.

Note to Gavin, Erik doesn't call me names?

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rmiller

Oct-22-13 10:45 PM

David,

I can only once again apologize for the "Christians" who through the name of God have committed actions that ruined, if not eroded your view of who Christ is. Here is where I've struggled my entire life. I've often set my eyes on man (not even intentionally) and come away broken hearted. I took my eyes of Jesus Christ, my focus off perfection, and set my attention on things here, temporal and vulnerable to sin.

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rmiller

Oct-22-13 10:13 PM

These moments of darkness in our history of mankind as we know it, is shrouded in the extermination of other human beings in the name of some kind of god. My God, upon the first murder with Cain and Able, was angry at what happened - murder. So, he set His mark on Cain as punishment from Him. Make no mistake, God did not honor/condone/justify the act of murder. I am stupefied sometimes at the implications that God is somehow responsible for man's choices. Most of the posts here, blame God for the atrocious acts of mankind. The blame game has been around for some time.

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rmiller

Oct-22-13 9:59 PM

Most persons seem to resurrect the Crusades and the issue of them being Catholic/Islam intertwined in our history books, seems to be inclusive of Christianity. I personally have tried to stop using the world, "Christian" anymore when I identify with Christ. It is inclusive of much that He is not and it also evokes such anger rationale that is seen here and abroad. The Bible specifically warns against false teachers and those who claim Jesus Christ, without knowing Him, much less Him knowing them. Mormons, Jehovah Witnesses, Catholics, Baptists, 7th Day Adventists, etc., etc., etc. call themselves Christians. But, God says, "Broad is the path to destruction, narrow is the way that leads to eternal life........and.....few....there be...who enter therein." This one Bible passage speaks to much, is recited very little, but addresses much truth as we look around us. As we look at the world, there will be few people in heaven, many more in h e l l.

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rmiller

Oct-22-13 9:49 PM

cont. disobedience, yes.....men, women and children were killed in their conquests. So, if the Bible is the only area where men, women and children are killed, then we wouldn't be having this conversation. But, casualties of war, sadly exist. Again, if you read the Bible from a believer's perspective you will understand more clearly, the why of the deaths of countless people - always in disobedience to God. From the onset, man was disobedient to God, hence ongoing wars, until His return. It helps to understand the Bible when studying it through the guidance of the Holy Spirit. Only He can give correct interpretation and as such, I can only offer commentary and or correct understanding of His Word from men who God uses to "rightly divide the Word of Truth." Whether one chooses to embrace the reality of who the one and only true God is, will mark not only their destiny, but miss many blessings God is willing to give to those who believe in who He is and what He did for

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rmiller

Oct-22-13 9:41 PM

Good evening to you David! There are Biblical Scholars that abound. Many are not Christians, just scholars. Many would support your claim to God's instructions on leading His people to conquest and victory in the final residence of the Promised Land - now the nation of Israel (including that which is embattled between Israel and Palestine). God set apart a people to be His people who would ultimately point to Jesus Christ, who became the Saviour for all the world. God never intended war, destruction or pain of any form. This was man's choice, subsequently man's consequences. Israel is still seeking the Messiah. Sadly for them, they will "look upon Him who they pierced." During tribulation, there will be one third of the remaining nation of Israel saved. All this being said, many of the OT laws were specifically for the nation of Israel and as strange as some of them may sound, the law was given to bring the nation of Israel into obedience to Him. In their disobedi

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DavidBross

Oct-22-13 8:21 PM

Good Evening Rmiller: I am sure there are passages in the OT where God instructs various people to lead their armies against other armies and wipe out them and their wives, sons, and daughters. Also, there are many instances in history where violence has been committed in the name of Christianity. The Crusades are one example. From the 1600s on, the idea of spreading Christianity was given as the reason for allowing countries to colonize the heathen world. All religions, societies, countries, etc. have warts in their history. It is part of being human. And it doesn't make them less valuable for the ideas etc. they bring to the world.

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rmiller

Oct-22-13 6:40 PM

Guard your heat and guard your marriage in order to maintain trust and strengthen your bond with your spouse. Today we are unsure what the bitter water, the rotting thigh, and the swelling belly were. But, the intent of the procedure is clear; in the absence of positive proof, the priest appealed to God to determine the guilt of innocence of the accused person."

Now....Scott....you do know that many of the OT laws were for the nation of Israel only, right?

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rmiller

Oct-22-13 6:36 PM

Enigma,

Outstanding response....

Study Bible Commentary is verbatim to what Enigma says.

"The test for adultery served to remove a jealous husband's suspicion. Trust between a husband and wife had to be completely eroded for a man to bring his wife to the priest for this type of test. Today's priests and pastors help restore marriages by counseling couples who have lost faith in each other. Men and women should strengthen the bond of trust in marriage. Flirtatious and intimate communication with someone you're not married to can build suspicion and weaken trust. cont.

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rmiller

Oct-22-13 6:31 PM

Scott,

I am by no means a Bible Scholar. I usually call our Pastor, or my son who is also a pastor and get their "understanding" of a passage. I can't reach either of them, so here is what the KJV, Life Application Study Bible commentary reads. I must admit, I have never read that particular passage, along with many other parts of the Bible. This one was different. It would benefit you to read the rest of the chapter because that sort of brings closure to what the commentary says. Here goes....cont...

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enigma

Oct-22-13 6:20 PM

Scott, The short version is that if a man accuses his wife of infidelity, that God will be the judge. It is quite convoluted to our modern minds, but that's the bottom line.

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rmiller

Oct-22-13 6:14 PM

mahs81,

Perhaps the comment regarding human ritual sacrifice in the NT was referencing the slaughter, by Herod, when Christ was born, in the enemy's sick and vicious attempt to kill the then Baby Jesus." I don't know that is the case, but perhaps. There is, as you rightly pointed out no incidence of human sacrifice in the NT. I especially appreciate your indulgence in this commentary.

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Scott36

Oct-22-13 5:33 PM

Just out of curiosity, I would like to know how this Bible passage is interpreted.

Numbers 5 verses 11-28

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eriklatranyi

Oct-22-13 3:24 PM

Mr. Reeder said:

"...consevatives are doing then destroying government and making everyone a Christian..."

Really?!

I guess our strong support of Israel (stronger than any liberal) just makes you look like the fecal discharge opening you are!

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johnnyad3

Oct-22-13 12:56 PM

"Progressives (Democrats) main objective with regards to religion is to secularize it to make it fit with their love of government."

Where do you people come up with this crap?

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CMReeder

Oct-22-13 12:27 PM

What exactly is it that consevatives are doing then destroying government and making everyone a Christian. Turning christianity into the official religion of the United States of America. So much for freedom of religion.

When you take faith and mix it with ideology you no longer have faith. This is what too many are trying to do.

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VXerick

Oct-22-13 12:09 PM

Progressives (Democrats) main objective with regards to religion is to secularize it to make it fit with their love of government. Most Catholics and many Protestant Churches, along with most Jews and all atheists have been secularized so that government programs devised by progressives attach themselves readily to those religions and thus destroy the separation of church and state. In its wake, the Constitution is nullified.

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