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Mudslinging

October 24, 2013

Mark Holt's letter about Liz Miele is nothing but mudslinging. Anyone who knows Liz Miele knows that she is sincere in her desire to help the city of Williamsport and it's residents....

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Scott36

Oct-25-13 4:23 PM

It may seem petty to some, but to me it speaks volumes.-Capricorn1

IMO, Your reasoning is sound. I myself would confront the accusations, or give my reasons for whatever charge.-Scott

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catmantwo

Oct-25-13 11:46 AM

Let the voters decide. It's not up to the local paper to do an investigation as to why a council woman is late for meetings or doesn't say the pledge.

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spike2

Oct-25-13 11:08 AM

OMG. What was the title of Holt's letter?

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Capricorn1

Oct-25-13 10:02 AM

Scott, I agree to your reasoning as to why some choose to say nothing regarding accusations made against them, but this is a pretty simple question. Why is she habitually late and why does she choose not to participate in reciting The Pledge of Allegiance? If both of those accusations are false, then she can simply state that. Or if she does have her convictions against reciting the Pledge, then she should have the courage to state why. It may seem petty to some, but to me it speaks volumes.

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Scott36

Oct-25-13 8:56 AM

I'm curious as to why Ms. Miele hasn't gone on record to defend herself if these claims are false. As a public figure that is up for reelection, you would think that she wouldn't want these false accusations spreading about her.-Capricorn1

This is a valid question. But for some, there is the notion that responding to certain accusations lends credibility to them, thus creating momentum. I do not know, but still it is an interesting question.-Scott

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Scott36

Oct-25-13 8:52 AM

The tea party didn't run Elizabeth Warren and are not going to run "Hillary the thief".-Erik2

You are confusing yourself again!! LOL, LOL

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Capricorn1

Oct-25-13 4:55 AM

An argument could be made that the SG, either doing a story, or NOT doing a story is in itself a statement. -Scott

I'm curious as to why Ms. Miele hasn't gone on record to defend herself if these claims are false. As a public figure that is up for reelection, you would think that she wouldn't want these false accusations spreading about her.

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Scott36

Oct-24-13 4:47 PM

...Or, the T-Baggers wil start drawing from their "roots"...and, accuse you of witchcraft!!!!-MrShaman

I thought they had one on the ballot not too long ago.

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Scott36

Oct-24-13 4:45 PM

Why not let the SG handle this. Obviously, there is a story, here. I, personally, do not know this woman or Mr. Holt. I do know horsepuck when I step in it.-radioactive

An argument could be made that the SG, either doing a story, or NOT doing a story is in itself a statement.

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leaningright

Oct-24-13 1:51 PM

Better a T-bagger than just a Bag of hot air Mr Shaman.

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MrShaman

Oct-24-13 12:39 PM

"Ms Miele, show up on time and do the pledge." - SteelerFan

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...Or, the T-Baggers wil start drawing from their "roots"...and, accuse you of witchcraft!!!!

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JohnZook

Oct-24-13 11:44 AM

Sham- No t/bagger slurs? What a missed opportunity to spread your dis-information and hate; just like "der Fuhrer". Oh, I hope I didn't offend you....You see, that comment was about the recent one. Back 'atcha.

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SteelerFan

Oct-24-13 11:19 AM

Ms Miele, show up on time and do the pledge.

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MrShaman

Oct-24-13 10:46 AM

"Johnny, did you miss the statement where she sat in her chair at the prayer breakfast while everyone stood to recite the Pledge?

As for you Shaman, you don't even rate a response any more." - Capricorn1

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And...all-this-time...I'd ASSUMED you felt more "safe"...backed-into-a-corner.

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MrShaman

Oct-24-13 10:41 AM

"Being a Democrat has nothing to do with this. If the letter is true and if Ms. Miele said she does not pledge, then I would agree with you and others. I would have a problem with that. If however, Mr. Holt is saying this because he has a problem with her, that is different.

Maybe someone should ask her instead of inferring." - johnnyad3

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...And...in the interest of saving time...you could always double-down, with the ol' standards...and, ask her if she IS...or, has ever BEEN...a member o' the Communist Party.

We can't very-well allow Ted Cruz to hog ALL the McCarthy-predilections!!!!!!

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MrShaman

Oct-24-13 10:34 AM

"How do you know she "chooses not to Pledge"? Did she actually say that or did Mr. Holt try to infer without any evidence?"-Johnnyad3

If you read the letter, you will have your answer. He does have evidence. I personally believe that she is late because she is arrogant, but it could be the pledge thing. Either way she needs to go." - enigma

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...And...this has got NOTHING, to do, with rac...er...GENDER...right?

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MrShaman

Oct-24-13 10:30 AM

"Four years ago at a Democratic breakfast before we ate, we said a prayer and then the Pledge of Allegiance. Everyone but Ms. Miele. She was drinking a cup of coffee and made no attempt to join in with the rest of us. Since that day I have attended meetings council and others with Ms. Miele. I have yet seen her recite the Pledge." - Mr. Holt

Chuck and Johnny, judging by this statement, one can safely assume that Mr. Holt personally witnessed that of what he is accusing her of." - Capricorn1

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No doubt!! Assumptions are EXTREMELY-critical to folks who believe something...and, are DESPERATE for any "facts" that support their beliefs!!

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Capricorn1

Oct-24-13 10:28 AM

Johnny, did you miss the statement where she sat in her chair at the prayer breakfast while everyone stood to recite the Pledge?

As for you Shaman, you don't even rate a response any more. Your hatred for just about everything except big government and liberalism speaks volumes.

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MrShaman

Oct-24-13 10:23 AM

"I noticed that in his letter, Mr. Holt asked a lot of questions. Not one of them is answered in this letter." - enigma

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That surely does work for Glenn Beck!!

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MrShaman

Oct-24-13 10:20 AM

"Just because she's late doesn't automatically mean she is doing it to avoid pledging to our flag." - johnnyad3

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...But...if she did..so what??

TOO-often, it seems...those folks who are SO ADAMANT about "pledging"...are the (same) folks who prefer not to pay taxes; wherever/whenever they can.

Where's the consistency?

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MrShaman

Oct-24-13 10:13 AM

"It was also nice to know that she chooses not to Pledge her Allegiance to our flag." - Capricorn1

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That's pretty-important, to you, huh?? -Shaman

I, for one would not support anyone for office to serve the American people that has a problem with it." - Capricorn1

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Yeah...I'd imagine an independent-person WOULD be "suspect", by someone who's (more) used to esprit de corps.

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MrShaman

Oct-24-13 10:07 AM

"Shaman- Yes, pleging the flag is important."

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Makes you feel like a full-member, does it?

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johnnyad3

Oct-24-13 9:58 AM

Also, if you look at the minutes, the meetings are called to order at 7:30, then there is the pledge, and then the first order of business is to approve the minutes of last meeting. She is always there for that. I question Mr. Holt's view. Is he saying she is hanging out in the hallway waiting for the less than 10 second pledge every meeting and then enters at 7:30:10 so she can vote on the minutes as she is walking to her chair?

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ArtFold

Oct-24-13 9:45 AM

How many people who are habitually late for work would still have a job the next day?

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johnnyad3

Oct-24-13 9:40 AM

Being a Democrat has nothing to do with this. If the letter is true and if Ms. Miele said she does not pledge, then I would agree with you and others. I would have a problem with that. If however, Mr. Holt is saying this because he has a problem with her, that is different.

Maybe someone should ask her instead of inferring. Then as enigma says, we have to believe it or not. I prefer to believe our civil servants are loyal to our country and our flag.

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