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October 25, 2013

I was amazed by the editorial on 13 October that stated that President Obama was responsible for the closing of various monuments and parks....

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CMReeder

Oct-26-13 11:07 AM

So now you think you are brilliant.

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Ritty77

Oct-26-13 9:14 AM

"Yale Professor's Surprising Discovery: Tea Party Supporters More Scientifically Literate

"Yale Law professor Dan M. Kahan was conducting an analysis of the scientific comprehension of various political groups when he ran into a shocking discovery: Tea Party supporters are slightly more scientifically literate than the non-Tea Party population.

"In fact, Tea Party members tend to be more scientifically literate than other self-described conservatives, who have slightly negative scores, overall.

"These findings should give both liberal and GOP establishment types pause over their caricatures of Tea Party constituents." —Independent Journal Review

For some, this was neither a "discovery" nor "surprising."

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Ritty77

Oct-25-13 5:57 PM

"How can you declare Failure when it has only just begun?" —sideliner

They key word was "implementation" failure, and it is, but my point was only that it will overshadow the government "shutdown" which Chuck and Gavin had addressed.

Have a good night.

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Scott36

Oct-25-13 4:54 PM

Once again, proving liberals like rick424 are just liars.-erikgiuilani

Once again from erik--A noun, A verb, & Liberal

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Capricorn1

Oct-25-13 4:16 PM

And it seems as things are more on a personal level than before. Attacks are against the person and not the politics. -Sideliner

Yea, I remember the same hatred towards Bush. In fact, I think Obama can actually thank Bush for his presidency because people hated Bush so much at that time that they would have elected anyone but another Republican, especially McCain. I remember being stunned by some of the stuff that democratic leadership used to say about Bush. Hatred isn't limited to one side of the aisle and I think it's weak that many use racism as a excuse for those who don't agree with Obama's leadership and policies. The same disdain was shown towards Bush but that was acceptable I guess since he's white.

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enigma

Oct-25-13 3:36 PM

rick424,"Not sure how the ACA got into this but for the record the WEB site was created by private business ..."

It may be a private business, but it survives on government contracts because its work is so poor it would not survive in the private sector. It has had several Canadian government contracts and been fired from them because they couldn't make them work, so Obama hired them. As Sham said, a failure in management. Obama failed miserably at managing his own pet project. But go ahead and let him manage some of the most important parts of your life. Idiots!

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rmiller

Oct-25-13 3:26 PM

Snopes . com

"•I ceased to advertise my mother's race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites."

This statement comes from the introduction to Dreams from My Father (p. xv), as part of a passage in which Barack Obama spoke of the difficulties of growing up as the child of mixed-race parents. The statement is actually a portion of a parenthetical remark Obama used to explain that people who did not know him well were often surprised to find that he himself was the child of mixed-raced parents (because he looked black, and he no longer made a point of gratuitously mentioning that his mother was white):

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gavinf56

Oct-25-13 3:15 PM

"The verbal attacks have even crossed the line and launched at the First Lady with Rush Limbaugh leading that pack with his Moochelle" BS." - sideliner

Now see here is where the irony comes. Keith Olberman's daily rants and hatred towards Bush. Whoopie making some kind of reference to GW and female private parts. The movie depicting Bush's assassination. Ed Schultz and Cheney's "kicking Cheney's heart.

..and you know what, posters from the left were on these very boards parroting those comments.

You might see the "hatred" in those comments towards the Bush administration, but I guarantee you, those of us on the right do.

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rmiller

Oct-25-13 3:14 PM

Side,

Hello again!

"Come on, here. Is nothing sacred? I don't remember ever attacks against First Ladies like the ones against this one"

And, I don't remember any of the first ladies commenting, "For the first time in my life, I am proud of America."

That being said, much of Rush's commentary is offensive and I stopped listening to him years ago as a result.

Our country is seeing a great divide. This president feeds it and many were hoping that given the benefit of the doubt (and some of them post here) he would do right by our country. Can I ask, Side, did you see 2016. At first viewing of it, I though na****..no one can pull this off...but the movie is right on target. Notice that it didn't stay in theaters long.

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eriklatranyi

Oct-25-13 2:51 PM

To those liberals who claim our opposition to President Obama is rooted in racism, please explain our opposition to President Clinton.

You can't because you are slimy liars, like most liberals.

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eriklatranyi

Oct-25-13 2:48 PM

rick424 said:

"Not sure how the ACA got into this but for the record the WEB site was created by private business ..."

Yes, a Canadian company that was awarded a no-bid contract for the website by your precious President Obama.

Another example of liberal hypocrisy.

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eriklatranyi

Oct-25-13 2:43 PM

rick424 said:

"...I am convinced republicans want the sick and the poor to die."

As always, liberals frame the argument as either total gov't control or nihilism.

That is because they cannot defend these fraud-laden programs from legitimate criticism about waste and abuse.

So, like little children who take their marbles home when they lose, liberals try to turn the argument that Republicans want to eliminate all social safety nets.

Once again, proving liberals like rick424 are just liars.

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sideliner

Oct-25-13 2:41 PM

Ritty: ""The ACA implementation failure will soon overshadow the shutdown."

Already has."

How can you declare Failure when it has only just begun?

This is the attitude I am talking about: almost wishful thinking. Talking it down before it can even start. Now that it IS the law and it IS being implemented, can we get seom positive input here? Can we at least TRY to make it work? It sounds like the right righteously WANT it to fail and I find that extremely telling.

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sideliner

Oct-25-13 2:37 PM

gavin, I agree that some of the attacks on Bush II were a bit personal. Cheney on the other hand, criticism of him was on point and about issues, policy, and politics. At least that is my take on it.

But the hateful personal rhetoric has certainly ratcheted up a few notches since then. The verbal attacks have even crossed the line and launched at the First Lady with Rush Limbaugh leading that pack with his Moochelle" BS.

Come on, here. Is nothing sacred? I don't remember ever attacks against First Ladies like the ones against this one.

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gavinf56

Oct-25-13 1:50 PM

And no, two wrongs doesn't make it right, but it does bring credibility to ones position had they spoken up about it then too.

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rick424

Oct-25-13 1:49 PM

I am also courious about the white side comment. Just watched on CNN a republican representative from Oklahoma talk about the ACA and I am convinced republicans want the sick and the poor to die.

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gavinf56

Oct-25-13 1:48 PM

...and you didn't find the attacks on Bush, Cheney, et. Al as personal?

Go back and review some of the remarks from the Democratic leadership in the early 2000's? ...and what do you call Dick Durbins latest lie?

Just asking.

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Ritty77

Oct-25-13 1:12 PM

"The ACA implementation failure will soon overshadow the shutdown."

Already has.

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enigma

Oct-25-13 12:32 PM

"Your last line proved-as-much!!! An IBM-employee considering a project "...far too large and complex...."??!!!!!!"-Sham

OK Sham, so you take a quote out of context and still can't make your point. I have a question for you. What High tech project have you worked on that makes you such an expert?

You assume that because you lie continuously that others do too. I have never lied about my experience here. I did indeed work for IBM for 20 years. Eleven of those spent in R&D and the rest in R&D related positions. In all that time I have never seen a program as poorly run as the Obamacare website. It will be some time before we see how poorly the rest of Obamacare works, but this is a very bad sign.

Even if I did lie and have never been involved in a high tech project, it doesn't take a computer genius to see that Obamacare is the worst website in the history of websites and the most expensive by a factor of about 100.

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gavinf56

Oct-25-13 12:26 PM

So now when one disagrees with Liberal policies it is a because of a "culture of hatred"?

Nice to know.

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idiottwo

Oct-25-13 12:25 PM

hypocrisy? Too funny.

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Capricorn1

Oct-25-13 12:05 PM

And that kind of labeling ,targeting and yes, hatred still comes from the Right -Sideliner

You obviously fail to read comments from those like Shaman and Forty.

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rmiller

Oct-25-13 11:47 AM

they are proud. As Americans we could have been proud, but this is not about him being black. Anger is unveiling on both sides. People are not allowing for others to vent about policies they see obviously wrong for our country, they see the "change" and they are hurt. Then, to add fuel to the fire, those who vent or share their thoughts even with repose, are being attacked and accused of racism. I personally see reverse racism. And, round and round this goes. This hate, anger is on both sides and for what reason? The first black president and look where we are. We can't voice concern or offer disagreement without being labeled. Do you not think for one minute that this first black president has taken advantage of his skin color because of the office of president instead of using his skin color to help unite? You don't really believe that someone who walked away from his white side, goes to bed at night at peace with the white community?

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rmiller

Oct-25-13 11:37 AM

So, because the hands tied behind the backs of big co.'s by the EPA our resources and our independence is forfeited at great expense. Now, we are back to the wars, again. In all this international mess, we the American People have a president who by his own admission, "walked away from his white side" and pronounced to the world his apologies for our country, along with a hostof other things that we know to be facts. There is no need to enumerate them, as every time they are discussed, the divide becomes greater. We have the progressives who want to be tolerant because it is chic' to be so and we have others that speak against this president for a host of things, which the least is his skin color. Does him walking from his white side play into the mindset of those who oppose him? Only God knows the heart...but who is responsible for that reaction? For every action, there is a reaction. Then, we have the black people who now have a black leader for the first time and

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rmiller

Oct-25-13 11:28 AM

Good morning Side....

Herein is where I see a major change in our country and for whatever reason, progressives deny it. The hatred you speak to.....let's bring it closer home. I don't know if there were WMD's or not, or if the intelligence was wrong and neither does anyone here. So, we...and we all do....speculate based on our own beliefs/thoughts/ideals. Most of us, agree to disagree on the war in Iraq. I personally thought it went on too long, but WMD's or not, I was a proponent for the invasion. I was angry at those who would do our country harm as in 911. I think, if we were to be honest, all of us were. But, I'm not thrilled with Afghanistan, either. As a Christian (and I use that word with guard) these wars (civil in nature) in the ME, have been since time began in our world. I probably part company with my conservative friends when I speak against these particular wars because Biblically, they are ongoing, period. But, we have the oil to consider, don't we?

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